The Tabernacle of God - Pt 5

Episode 7 - The Tabernacle of God - Part 5

Christopher: We have been talking about the Tabernacle and trying to get an understanding of how this relates to our walk with God and how it relates to the things that we need to know in order to learn about God. I want to start wrapping some things about the basics of where we got our Bible from. And I'm going to start out with this is a teaching that was done by Chuck Missler. And I'm not going to read the whole thing, but there's. I'm going to read bits and pieces over the next couple of weeks so we get a basic understanding of how the Bible was created, how the Bible was formed. So Chuck says there are many non canonical books. There's a group called the Apocrypha. So non canonical books are things that are not in our 66 books of the Bible. So there's a group of books called the Apocrypha and the word means hidden by the way. These were formulated about 300 BC to 70 AC. There's about 13 of them that happen to be included in the Septuagint translation. The Septuagint translation was embraced by the Council of Trent in 1546 as part of the package, but not recognized by the Church as canonical, but they were in existence at the time. Then there's also a group of the Pseudepigrapha, which are books that were false. So if you hear the word Pseudepigrapha tied to a Bible book like the book of Thomas, they're saying it's false. They were written under pseudonyms and there's 54 of these false books that are out there. They're very curious things scholastically, but not taken seriously by the early Church. So you run into these non canonical books. These are books that were not regarded by the early Church as inspired by God. They have characteristics that would exclude them from being in the canon. There are a group of books that are lost to history. They're alluded to in the Scriptures. And I thought this was interesting. The Book of Wars, the Book of the wars of the Lord is mentioned in numbers 21 and there's a whole list of them. The Book of the Just, the Book of the Acts of Solomon and so forth. These were lost. We have no idea what they said, where they are. They're just illusions. They are lost writings and remain the subject of conjectures by scholars. There are from time to time false versions of these that, surface, but then they're discredited for one reason or another. What we really want to focus on is the Old Testament text, the Hebrew text, the original Hebrew was to get, was pulled together in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah and it was called the Vorlaga as a group. And in 285 BC, Ptolemy Philadelphus funded the translation of the Hebrew Bible into the Greek. In those days, Greek was the standard language of business. Most people, even if you were Jewish, spoke Greek. They used Hebrew much as Catholics. They used Hebrew much as Catholics used Latin. They used it for ceremonial purposes. But many Jewish people didn't really have, a full knowledge of in Hebrew and they desired to have a copy of their Scriptures in Greek. So Alexandria in Egypt was in those days one of the major literary centers of the world. And they funded 70 scholars, some would say 72 scholars in Alexandria to translate the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek. Some say there was six from each of the 12 tribes to make 72. There's different versions of these details. But the point is their work product was finished in 270 BC so from 285 to 270 it took 15 years. And the product that they produced is known as the Septuagint translation. The Septuagint being simply a fancy word for 70. It usually shows up in the abbreviation, Roman numeral L X x, which is 70 in Roman numerals. But that's the Septuagint. And this is a very valuable document for many reasons. First

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Christopher: of all, it gives a precise Greek rendering of the Old Testament. It is also very prominent because the prophecies that are detailed in the Septuagint were in black and white virtually three centuries before Christ's ministry. That's a lot of detail. So the existence of those prophecies is beyond dispute. And another reason it's so significant is that prophecy translation became the Bible of the early Church. The early Christians used the Septuagint translation along with the letters of Paul and other letters that were being circulated as their scriptures. And now, now there's the Hebrew text. By the time you get to the 9th century, the Hebrew text was codified by the Maserets. These were a group of scribes and their product is called the Masoretic text. The English translation of the Old Testament is a translation deriving from the Masoretic text. And it in turn really had its roots in the Council of Lamnia, which occurred about 90 A.D. obviously, Israel rejected her Messiah, crucified him, as he predicted. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD that gave Judaism a huge problem because they were taught that without the shedding of blood there's no remissions of sins. And they have no way to shed blood when the temple is gone. So they've got a real problem. And they have a council to deal with this. And that council really redefines Judaism into a religion of works, of good works and so forth. But they also undertook a revision of their Hebrew text and gave rise to what ultimately becomes the Masoretic text, the text that we have in our Bibles, the Council of Omnia. They were upset because the Septuagint was used by the Christians. So just that little bit of basic history, summarize. The Septuagint version of the Bible was written by these seven. 70 elders, 70 scholars. And they translated it from Hebrew into Greek into that time. And we'll get into later why they, why they use the Greek. As he said earlier, the Greek was the business language of that time period that they use to conduct business. But there's some different codes and things like that that they used to prove, the infallibility of the Bible, which I thought was pretty cool.

Kathryn: To prove the infallibility. Okay, what does that mean?

Christopher: The infallibility to prove that there's no errors. You know, the, the Greek was so descriptive, just like the Hebrew is so descriptive. The Greek was very descriptive as well.

Kathryn: This is interesting because when I do research a lot of times I'll say, what is the root? What is the Hebrew, Hebrew root word for X, Y and Z. And not only do they provide Hebrew, Greek is right next to it.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: didn't understand why.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: Okay.

Christopher: This, this, this thing here is so I shouldn't say this thing. Our Bible has got so many different layers to it. You just cannot, you just cannot imagine how deep it goes and how many different ways and directions it goes. There's this one thing we're going to talk about probably next week. But he talks about how the first. Going back to the genealogies, the first 10 names in there have a meaning to scripture. Let me see if I can find that. Hold on, because that. We may as well talk about that now because that was awesome. Who's the oldest man in the Bible? Methuselah. Good for you. He lived 969 years, yet he died before his father. How can he be the oldest man in the Bible yet died before his father? His father was Enoch. Enoch hasn't died yet. Enoch was translated. In fact, Enoch was 65. Something happened that he walked with God for over 300 years. He apparently was given a prophecy. The flood of Noah did not come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. But Enoch was told when his son was born that as long as

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Christopher: his son is alive, the flood would be. The judgment of the flood would be withheld. So as long as his son was alive, the flood, the judgment would be withheld. So he named him Methuselah, which comes from two Hebrew roots. Muth, which means his death. It occurs 125 times in the Old Testament. And the verb shellack, which means to bring or send forth, Methuselah really means his death shall bring. In fact, if you do your homework in Genesis 5, you'll discover that Methuselah was born. And when he was 187, Lamech was born. And when he was. When Noah was born, he was 182. And it was the 600th year of Noah that the flood came. And if you do your math, you'll discover that the year Methuselah died is indeed the year the flood came. So from Adam to Noah, we have Adam, Seth, Enosh, Keenan, Malel, Yared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech. And Noah. The problem with these names is they're not translated in our Bible. If you have a lexicon that doesn't translate proper names, and the way you have to unravel these is to get into the Hebrew roots and find out what the words mean. Methuselah. Let's take a look at these. What does the word Adam mean? Well, that's a reasonable man. Adam means man. Adama, means man. His son's name was Seth. Seth comes from a root which means appointed. In Genesis 4:25, Eve said that when he was born that God had appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. So the word Seth, she even tells us, implies appointed. Seth has a son by the name of Enosh, which means mortal, frail or miserable. It comes from the root anish, which is to be incurable, like a wound or a grief or sickness or what have you. It really means incurable.

Kathryn: Why would they. Why would he do that?

Christopher: Listen, Lahan, this is the Bible. It really means incurable. Keenan means sorrow, dge or elegy. And his son Mahal? M, he's probably had enough with the. The negative names. So his father named him. His father named him Mahalel, which comes from two roots. Mahel, which means the blessed or praised one, and l, the name of God. Mahalel means the blessed to praise God or blessed God. He has a son by the name of Yared, which is a verb. The verb yered, meaning shall come down I'll come back to that in a minute. Enoch, we've mentioned already, but what does his name mean? It's an academic term. It means commencement or teaching. In Methuselah, we talked about means from muf in shellack, which means his death shall bring. When he died, his son is Lamech. And here's a root that we use in the English. It's still evident in lament or lamentation. It really comes from the root meaning despairing. And Lamech has a son by the name of Noah, who many of you have heard of Noah before. It's Lamech explains it comes from nakam, which means to bring relief or comfort. Lamech even mentions that when Noah is born, he shall comfort us and so forth. He explains it so that you can draw these even from the text itself. Now, take this genealogy having this little Hebrew lesson. And we have Adam, Seth, Enos, Keenan, Mahalel. You read Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah. Let's read it in English. The pointed mortal sorrow. The blessed God shall come down teaching that his death. Whose death? God's death, shall bring the despairing comfort or rest.

Kathryn: Wow.

Christopher: The pointed mortal sorrow, the blessed God shall come down teaching that his death, God's death, shall bring the despairing comfort or rest. that's crazy.

Kathryn: I'm waiting, like, patiently, like. What is going on? What is the whole meaning of what you're trying to say?

Christopher: These first 10 names tell the whole story of the Bible.

Kathryn: Oh, my gosh.

Christopher: Tell the whole story of creation, why we're here, why God created us.

Kathryn: How dumb are we?

Christopher: God created that we were going to go through appointed mortal sorrow. The blessed God will come down teaching that his death shall bring the despairing us, comfort or rest.

Kathryn: Oh, gosh.

Christopher: But we want to get rid of the Word.

Kathryn: What?

Christopher: We want to get rid of the Word.

Kathryn: What is going on?

Christopher: I'm telling you, there's so many things in this Bible that we need.

Kathryn: This is what you were saying earlier, how this thing is layered and it shouldn't be called a thing, but this is layered. Like, we know, we've heard and we believe that the word is layered, but we don't understand how deep.

Christopher: Nope.

Kathryn: The word really is.

Christopher: Nope.

Kathryn: This is. This is very, very interesting. Very interesting. You have my attention now.

Christopher: So he goes on to say, you can never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis contrived to hide the Christian gospel in a genealogy. And the Torah. No wag. But it also says something else. It speaks, of course, to the integrity of the design of the Bible. It also indicates that God's plan of redemption was not a knee jerk reaction to a surprise that Adam blew it.

Kathryn: Correct.

Christopher: It was planned before the foundation of the world. That's when God first started dealing with you, before the foundation of the world. He had you on his mind. And here's a demonstration of that hidden text, of that hidden in the text itself. The primary implication is that this collection of 66 books penned by over 40 guys over several thousand years, is a skillfully designed package. Every detail, every place name, every detail, every number in it is there by deliberate design. God always rewards the diligent. If we'll take the trouble to dig in, behind each one of these things will be a discovery. The New Testament is in the Old Testament, concealed. This is an example of. Of course, the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed.

Kathryn: Can you break that down? The Old Testament is in the New Testament concealed.

Christopher: Yes, the, the New Testament is in the Old Testament. So everything that's written in the New Testament was written in the Old Testament, but it was hidden, it was veiled so that the people couldn't understand. But the New Testament reveals what you're supposed to do on the Old Testament. So go ahead.

Kathryn: So is this why Season said he did not come to change or destroy.

Christopher: The law or get rid of it, he came to fulfill it?

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: And then if you look at the New Testament, it says if you think on a woman in a lustful way, it's, it's the same as if you've done it and you deserve the penalty of it. But in the Old Testament, the penalty, you could do it. And the penalty didn't come right away because it took a while for the angel to get to you, to destroy you. But in the New Testament, if you think about it, the judgment, the condemnation is already poured out upon you. And you immediately begin to feel it, whether you recognize it or not, because you're being separated from the Spirit of God. But in the Old Testament, if you made it to the city of refuge before that death angel came, you got a chance to repent and offer up a sacrifice, the sacrifice that the priest ate in order to, to receive atonement for your sin. And that once that atonement was made, the blood was sprinkled on you, you were free from the, from the judgment or the condemnation that you deserved. There's some things that automatically, automatically caused your death and you couldn't get out of it. But there was other things that you could be forgiven of.

Kathryn: How can you explain in the open. Oh, yeah. In the Old Testament, how

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Kathryn: how can you explain wrestling with the angel?

Christopher: The wrestling with the angel was our relationship with God and how God came down and made a way for us to have contact with him.

Kathryn: So go. Going back, who was it that wrestle begin with a J?

Christopher: I think it was Jacob.

Kathryn: Jacob. Yeah. So Jacob had fought with this angel out of, desperation that he was going to make it or live or something.

Christopher: He wanted a blessing.

Kathryn: He wanted a blessing. What was the blessing? It doesn't matter at this point.

Christopher: But what was doesn't. They don't really specify.

Kathryn: Okay.

Christopher: But he was like, I'm not gonna let you go until you bless me.

Kathryn: Okay. So just to break this down so I can understand. So when he wrestled with the angels, some people say it was the Lord himself.

Christopher: Yeah, different. Different. Different people. No, different translations. And we'd have to look really at the Hebrew to see what it actually said. Said it was a representation of God.

Kathryn: Okay. All right. So that could just be a regular angel because the angel is a representation of God. Okay.

Christopher: Or it could have actually been Jesus, but because he wasn't revealed yet in the Old Testament as the. As the plan. Because in the Old Testament, they just knew that they had to spread. Sprinkle blood. That blood had to be made available in order to atone for sin. So they didn't know that Season had come to save. But it was evidence in the practices that was done in the tabernacle. Because in the tabernacle, you had to offer up this blood in order to be cleansed and kill these animals in order to be cleansed from your transgression.

Kathryn: Russia. Can you go back one more time to read the. Read the names.

Christopher: Just.

Kathryn: Just not read the names. Read what? What the meaning of the names mean.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: I'm, trying to connect this in my mind. Sorry.

Christopher: Yep. It says they.

Kathryn: Hold on. Think about what you just said about the tabernacle. How there had to be blood to do what?

Christopher: Atone for the sins of the people.

Kathryn: Okay, now can you read the.

Christopher: So the pointed moral sorrow. Appointed. More. Sorry. Appointed mortal sorrow. The blessed God shall come down teaching that his death shall bring the despairing comfort or rest.

Kathryn: So are you saying it says the appointed moral.

Christopher: Mortal.

Kathryn: Mortal. Okay. The appointed mortal sorrow.

Christopher: We are mortals and we're appointed to sorrow.

Kathryn: Okay. Which people in Christians today believe we shouldn't suffer. Christians today believe that certain things are. Whatever. So we are mortals who were appointed to suffer.

Christopher: Yes, to.

Kathryn: Go ahead. The names. I'm sorry.

Christopher: the. Because the blessed God Shall come down teaching that his death shall bring those same people who were appointed to suffer the despairing comfort or rest.

Kathryn: Lord have mercy. And how many generations did this spread over?

Christopher: this was ten names. And this was just the first ten names. Adam, Seth, Enos, Keenan, Mahal. You read Enoch, Methuselah, Lamic and Noah.

Kathryn: So this don't have generations are not tied to this. Or is it ten generations?

Christopher: that's a good question. But I'm sure if you read the rest of the genealogies and broke their names down, there's a message inside of that.

Kathryn: Absolutely. It probably absolutely is. It probably absolutely is. Because you know what?

Christopher: He just stopped at 10.

Kathryn: I just, I can't even, I can't even think right now. Because I knew these names. It was significant about the lineage being named in the Bible, but I did not understand why.

Christopher: It's the Hebrew. The Hebrew has a picture associated with each, each letter. And you put those, you put those

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Christopher: letters together and it gives you a picture of what God is saying. So not only do you have the written part of it, but you have a picture that's associated with it. Which when you really think about this too, there's always been a separation in the prophetic between the written and the seer. But that shouldn't be a separation anymore because God wrote and gave a picture at the same time. All prophetic. So many layers. So so many layers. And we have barely scratched the surface of this.

Kathryn: It's interesting. And this is bizarre because I learned this from, animated cartoons. When they drew on the stones, on the animated cartoons or whatever, like Kate, whatever, some of these. Or Ice age whatever they drew pictures, pictographs.

Christopher: Yes. It's code. Yes. Cryptography, which we, everything, you know, there's, there's a direct message that the word of God has, and then there's a hidden message that the word of God has. And to me, my understanding of it, with my little 52 years of being on this earth and understanding a little tiny bit about the Bible, the closer that you get to God, the closer that you get to understanding who he is and what he's about. You can sense, feel, know by your spirit that the direct message of, you're not supposed to care. You're supposed to honor the Sabbath and keep it holy. There's a deeper meaning and a deeper reasoning why the death supposed to take place. And it's with every, every scripture that's in the Bible. But you won't, you won't appreciate that until you start digging into the deeper things of God and becoming closer to God.

Kathryn: Correct.

Christopher: And it. It should be. And I've. I've talked about this over the years in the form of intimacy. And to me, you say the closer that we get to God, the closer, the more that our interior sin, nature is revealed so that we can confess it, we can repent of it, we can be cleansed with accepting, Season Christ's blood as our atonement, as our sacrifice. God, I'm sorry. I messed up. I plead the blood of Season Christ over myself. And then we're freed to go to another level. We're free to get close, closer to the holy of holies.

Kathryn: So you know what, I know I mean to cut you off. I understand what you're saying. I. My mind is just hold on for a second. So here's the. Here's the honest truth on how I'm receiving this message this morning. The people who think they deep. They are not.

Christopher: They're not. They're not.

Kathryn: It's really a surface head knowledge type of thing. And this is like the majority of the body of Christ, the American church. Yes, I was ready in the western. In the western hemisphere. I don't even. You know, all of these crazy phrases that we get that we think God is saying, saying and doing and all this meaning that man has made up is covering something that is so precious.

Christopher: It is so simple. Simple stuff.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: Who would have imagined just the name of the first 10 people in the genealogy had such a deep meaning?

Kathryn: I was, I felt bad for them when you started listing the names out. And I was like, darn, we ain't got no hope. I don't understand. And I'm thinking, remember? I was like, who does that? Like sorrow? And you know, who, anyway, this day.

Christopher: Who else in the Bible named their, their children something? And they was like, nah. Was it. Was it. Was it Joseph?

Kathryn: No, some. John was. John's name was being argued. But you know what? I know he's one of. I don't know if this is what you're talking about because, the angel told.

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Kathryn: I forgot his name again with a. Zachariah. Zachariah. That it was going to be John. And then Elizabeth was like, it's going to be John. And they was like, you don't have nobody name, name that in your family. Why would you do that?

Christopher: They was coming against them.

Kathryn: So going back to what I was saying, huh? This is, you know, with you bringing out the stuff. I. I just, I just have to say this because this is where my mind is at with you. Bringing out the stuff that people can't be trusted. That people are messed up in the church in regards to what they were doing behind the scenes scenes, how they were living their life in the public eye. They seem like, oh, they know what they're saying. This is so interesting. This is so cool. To hear something this deep makes them look so foolish.

Christopher: Yep. So foolish. Because they could, if they would take that time and that effort to be legitimate, it wouldn't even take them that much to study. You know, it wouldn't take them that much to just really sit down. But no, they spend so much time being fake and hiding and having ulterior motives that it just, it. It destroys everybody. The whole church is going in a direction that it shouldn't be going in.

Kathryn: Not the whole church.

Christopher: Yeah. But I mean the American, the American church, by and large, they're being exposed right now.

Kathryn: They are. And you know what? It's about darn time.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: You know, my, you know how I've always told you these people that are being exposed, I never followed them. I was never impressed. That's just how God built me. And a lot of people, like the girl Tiffany Montgomery, I think that's her name, said that she had entered into the church in 2015 and she said, thank God, because she understood, just like I do. The church has been messed up.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And so now that she's like, I don't really know. No. Sometimes she run me the wrong way. But, she's one that stands for what I believe. Truth. And this is what God is doing. I think you spoke about that in one of your recent messages. How God is raising up people with fire. That is not tainted. This is my words that's not tainted. Twisted and all that other stuff that they're just, they're just speaking the truth.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: I have yet heard anybody say that until now. So everything that I've heard thus far in regards to all of these big ministries, even whatever, I don't even care who told these people to rise to the top? I don't know. But that's neither here nor there. God's getting ready to bring in something that's true, authentic and real.

Christopher: Yeah. And this is cuz people want that.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: They want the real. They don't want the fake stuff that's being promoted out there. They don't know God themselves. And that's the part that's crazy.

Kathryn: They don't. And I, I love my brothers and sisters who really Have a heart for the Lord, but they still don't understand. Some of the people that they watch, they listen to fall into this category and they believe that because they repented, because they are, you know, doing whatever that they're still in right, standing with God. Listen, listen. You have to hear in the spirit in regards to, regards to the motive, in regards to what is really in their heart. I just want people to wake up and get the deeper understandings, the deeper truths. Once they do this, they will realize that these people that they're holding on, on to are really not who they.

Christopher: They're not even, close to God. Yeah, they're not even close to God now.

Kathryn: We haven't made it, hun.

Christopher: Huh?

Kathryn: I'm so far like, we haven't made it and we won't make it until the day that God brings us home. But this is what, this is what my heart desires. I need something that's going to really grab me and shake me and say, look at this. Instead of feeding my spirit, something that.

Christopher: There'S no substance to

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Christopher: it at all. It's the equivalent of eating a spiritual donut.

Kathryn: I've never heard that.

Christopher: There's no cal. There's no good calories in a donut. There's bad calories in it. It makes you feel full. But if you got a salad, you would feel nourished, you would get all your vitamins, get all your nutrients. But if you're eating a spiritual donut.

Kathryn: Because the word says to me, you.

Christopher: Got a steak, if you got a steak, you, you'd be good to go. And it wouldn't be no issues because you would get all of your nutrients from the protein that you're supposed to get from that state. But yeah, same, the same principle.

Kathryn: I understand.

Christopher: So Exodus 28 going on with the tabernacle garments for the priesthood. Now take Aaron, your brother, and his sons with him from among the children of Israel, that he may minister to me as a priest. Aaron and Aaron's sons, Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar. And you shall make holy garments for Aaron, your brother, and for glory and for beauty. So you shall speak to all who are gifted artisans, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister to me as priests. And these are the garments which they shall make a breastplate, an ephod, a skillfully woven tunic, a turban and a sash. So they shall make holy garments for Aaron, your brother, and his Sons that he may minister to me as priests.

Kathryn: Hold please.

Kathryn: That word, that phrase, minister to me is standing out to me. What does that mean?

Christopher: Go to the blue letter Bible. Let's see what verse four says. All right. The blue letter Bible has. And these are the garments which they shall make a breastplate, an ephod, a robe, a skillfully woven tunic, a turban and a sash, so they shall make holy garments for you and your brothers. That he may minister to. To me as priest. And these special notes. Tools. All right. That he may minister is a phrase in Hebrew. It occurs four times in the new King James Version.

Kathryn: Is it something, where it's in the new scripture, where it says something like whatever you do, you do it unto the Lord or something.

Christopher: Okay. It is call han. It's a verb meaning to mediate in religious services. Minister unto me, Mediate and religious services. To act as a priest ministering in priest's office. Call han. Apparently meaning to mediate in a religious service, but used only as. I don't know what that is. To officiate as a priest, figuratively to put on regalia. deck. To execute the minister in the priest's office.

Kathryn: Now this is interesting.

Christopher: What's your phone?

Kathryn: I said what is media? I wanted to put what does mediate mean?

Christopher: But.

Kathryn: But instead something came up and says, what is mediated communication? This is crazy because it says mediated communication refers to any form of communication that involves technology as a medium.

Christopher: M. Oh, so he's supposed to minister.

Kathryn: Between communicators rather than direct face to face interaction.

Christopher: Wow.

Kathryn: Now you know medium to me is a psychic.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: So I don't know if that's what that means or not.

Christopher: Yeah, I don't know if that's the full meaning of medium, but there's, there's a different definition of medium that means to convey or something like that.

Kathryn: Okay, so mediate itself means intervene between people in a dispute in order to bring about an agreement. Agreement or reconciliation.

Christopher: But look up, look up medium itself. Because I think there's a different definition of medium, sir.

Kathryn: Medium is an agency or means of doing something. The intervening substance through which impressions are conveyed to the senses or a force acts on objects at a distance about halfway between

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Kathryn: and, two extreme size or another quality, average.

Christopher: Okay, so, yeah, so it doesn't necessarily mean psychic, but it's somebody that acts as a go between. So when you think about the scripture, there's a scripture that we use in prayer. You're going to stand in the gap.

Kathryn: Correct.

Christopher: Before God and the people. And Moses stood in the gap all the time because God wanted to destroy him. And God was like, no, please don't. I mean, Moses was like, don't do that.

Kathryn: The garments God gave people who had. I don't want to say artists. He named it something and gave them wisdom on how to create. I don't want to use another word.

Christopher: Yeah, it takes wisdom to make a design. It takes. Look. Look at this picture that we're looking at on. On the tv.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: You can't just throw rocks together the way you want to. Right? So verse four. And these are the garments which they shall make. A breastplate and he fought. A robe, an embroidered coat, a miter and a girdle. And they shall make holy garments for Aaron, thy brother and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. So Moses. So Aaron, God was setting this priest up to minister to him. And in the priest's office, which is gonna. We're gonna see later on that it goes. Goes into the holy holies. So he's the one that's going to be making the atonements and the sacrifices. Verse 5. And they shall take gold and blue and purple and scarlet and fine linen. And they shall make the ephod of gold, of, blue and purple, of scarlet and fine twine linen. And with cunning work, it shall have two shoulder pieces thereof, joined at the two edges thereof. and so it shall be joined together in the curious girdle of the Ephod, which is upon it shall be of the same according to the work thereof, even of gold, of blue and purple and scarlet and fine twine linen. And you shall take two onyx stones, engrave them on the names of the children of Israel, six of their names on one stone, and the other six names on the. Of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth. So verse verse 10 of Exodus 28. Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone. According to their birth, with the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet. Shall you engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel? You shall make them to be set in ouches of gold. I have no idea what an ounce of gold is, but. O U C H E s like the word ouch. Yeah, I've never seen that before in my entire life. And thou shalt put the two stones upon the shoulders of the ephod for the stones of memorial unto the children of Israel, and a shall bear their names before the Lord upon his two shoulders for a memorial. And here it is again. And thou shalt make ouches of gold and two chains of pure gold. You got it.

Kathryn: In the context of the Bible, ouches of gold refers to settings or sockets made of gold.

Christopher: Oh.

Kathryn: Specifically designed to hold precious stones.

Christopher: That's cool. Read that one more time.

Kathryn: in the context of the Bible, ouches of gold refers to settings or sockets made of gold specifically designed to hold precious stones. These were commonly used in the high priest garments. I don't know if these are pockets. I don't know. But anyway, like the breastplate, where onyx stones were set in gold pouches to represent the 12 tribes of Israel, accounting according to the Bible hub. So. So it says the term ouches essentially describes the gold, filigree, or woven work that holds the stones in place.

Christopher: So is that, like a pocket, then? Is this. Is it a sewed pocket or.

Kathryn: No, Looks like a. Some type of plate.

Christopher: Oh, it's metal. Oh, okay. two chains of pure gold at the ends of the wreath. And work shall thou make them. And fasten the wreathing chains to the ouches. And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment. Oh, Lord, I feel another book. The breastplate of Judgment.

Kathryn: Go ahead.

Christopher: Good God. Oh. Oh, sorry. The breastplate of Judgment. With cunning work after the work of the Ephod, you shall make it of gold, of blue and a purple, and of scarlet, in a fine twine linen. So, verse 16, Foursquare it shall be, it shall be being doubled. A span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breath thereof. And you shall set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones. The first row shall be a sardis, a topaz, and a carbuncle. This shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond, and the third row, a liquor and agate and an amethyst. In the fourth row, a barrel and onyx and a Jasper, and they shall be set in gold in their enclosings. Now, whenever you did the study on the tribes.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Didn't they have a stone that represented each tribe?

Kathryn: Yes. Yeah.

Christopher: So these stones, these onyx barrels. Liers.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Agots represent the tribes.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: And the priest is wearing these on his chest.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Go ahead.

Kathryn: It has to. But it has to mean so much more than what we.

Christopher: Absolutely. And you. You did a study on that. You started doing that. And the stone shall be with the names of the children of Israel, 12 according to their name names like the engravings of a signet. Everyone with his name shall they be according to the 12 tribes.

Kathryn: Stop. Sorry, I don't mean to say stop. This is reminding me of how Harry Stone taught that Lucifer, when he was in heaven, he failed to get the last three.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: Stones. And, I was. When I was studying this years ago, I kind of touched on that a little bit, but I haven't again. I'll start something, don't finish it anyway. God, that's so bad. But anyway, I have yet to understand because that's my pattern, unfortunately. I will start something that's real deep. And I'm like, oh, oh, oh. And it's very interesting. And I don't follow it all the way out. So. M. Hopefully in this new season that will change. But there's definitely something there because here's the bottom line. If Satan, Lucifer, whatever, if he was loved as much as he was and he gained and gathered and was able to be given these stones, and then God, just did not, not give him the remaining three right there. He doesn't have the fullness of whatever God, is trying or God was planning on doing. So he's already defeated. But to have that come down and be manifested in the natural for his priest, his people to partake of it is even more interesting in regards to why did God have this start in heaven and then have it manifest down on the earth? Yeah.

Christopher: Because it's a picture of what actually goes on in heaven.

Kathryn: In heaven, which we talked about, how God's temple, God's real temple is in heaven.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And. And so. And it come. I think that's the scripture. How. I don't know if Paul said it, but somebody said it. How. Whatever God has placed on this earth as far as the temple, is a direct mimic or image.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: Down to the measurements. M. To a degree of what is in heaven. So what do you think about. And I don't know if this is. I feel like this is a prayer, but what do you think about how we pray? Or people say, you know, let heaven come down to earth, or let. Let. Let it be done on earth as it is in heaven. It is a scripture.

Christopher: Well, when you go to the prayer that Season prayed.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: And, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom done.

Kathryn: You know how it means holy, Right?

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Holiness. I'm sorry, Go ahead.

Christopher: Yeah, yeah, you're right. Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

Kathryn: Thy kingdom come.

Christopher: Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. So I think some of the stuff that they're saying about heaven and earth is being taken out of

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Christopher: that prayer. but some of it has a little bit of a twist. That is not right. Not saying all of it does or all of them do. But if it goes to what, what the American church has done is we're gonna twist God's arm and make stuff happen. Going to make it happen because God has to listen to us. And that's, that's the mindset and that's the mentality. God isn't God because we're friends, because we're besties.

Kathryn: And we know, we know how good he really is. So therefore he has to listen.

Christopher: He has to do what we tell him to do. And it's this mindset that's in the American church is, is taking a lot of people to hell.

Kathryn: Who's in control? Who's in control?

Christopher: Not God.

Kathryn: I think God is awesome because he lets people believe they are. He lets them believe they are.

Christopher: That's a part of that strong delusion. You're carried away in your own mind by a delusion, a fantasy. Well, thank you for joining us. This has been the gorse.

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Episode 7 - The Tabernacle of God - Part 5