The Bride of Christ - Pt 1

Episode 8 - The Bride of Christ - Part 1

Kathryn: In scripture, what does it say around the area where God says he's coming back for a spotless bride? Does it anywhere in the scripture, does it say that he's going to walk away from the church?

Kathryn: I'm really trying to understand or figure this out. Because if he. If he didn't, there's hope. If he didn't, there's hope.

Christopher: So it looks like there's several scriptures that talk about bride spotless, so. 2nd Corinthians 11:2. I am jealous for you with godly. With a godly jealousy, I promised you one husband to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin. And Ephesians 5:27 and to present herself to him as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. Revelations 19:7. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory. For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

Kathryn: Where? That's in Revelation. Who's his bride at that point? The church, right? Or is it. Or is it the. The Jews?

Christopher: we'll have to go to Revelation and see. So that was the NIV. here's the King James. Same verses, 2nd Corinthians 11:2. From jealous, free with the godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as virgin to Christ. Ephesians 5:27. That he might present him might, that he might present her to himself, a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but she should be holy and without blemish. And Revelations 19:7. Let us be glad and rejoice and give him glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready. So break down the full chapter. Revelations 19. So revelations 19:1 says after these things, I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven saying, hallelujah. Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God. For true and righteous are his judgments, because he is judged a great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication.

Kathryn: Stop. is that the church he's talking about?

Christopher: The church isn't the great harlot, but he is judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication.

Kathryn: Who the heck is the great harlot?

Christopher: Good question. And he is avenged on her. The blood of his servants shed by her. Verse 3. Again they said, alleluia. Her smoke rises up forever and ever in the 24 elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne. Amen. Hallelujah. Then a voice came from the throne saying, praise our God, all you his servants, and those who fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thundering, saying, hallelujah. for the Lord our. The Lord God omnipotent reigns. Verse 7. Let us be glad and rejoice and give him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready. And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. so the bride in this particular verse and chapter of Revelation 19 is the Gentile Church.

Kathryn: Did you not tell me about or did you not put the Babylon Church? Did you not say America? The. The Western church? Yeah.

Christopher: Yes, read that.

Kathryn: Whore of Babylon, the great Harlot Babylon. Revelation 17. Now this says. This is the source of wicked. Wikipedia. Sorry, but it says Babylon the

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Kathryn: Great, commonly known as the of Babylon, refers to both a symbolic female figure and a place of a male malevolence. As, mentioned. What is malevolent? Whatever.

Christopher: Bad spirit of bed entity.

Kathryn: Okay. As mentioned in the Book of Vibes. Okay. As mentioned in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, her full title is stated in Revelation 17 as mystery Babylon, the great God, the mother parlots and abominations of the earth.

Christopher: So when you look at Revelation 17, it immediately is. It is preceded. Revelation 17 comes after the seven bowl judgments, and after the seven bold judgments hit the earth. That is when Revelation 17 is proclaimed. Then one of the seven angels who had seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication. Verse 3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. And on her forehead a name was written Mystery Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots. In the, end of the Abominations of the earth. I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Season. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

Kathryn: So let's stop for a second because that's a lot to take in. But what I noticed from what you were saying was the attire that she was wearing, which is supposed to be godly, it's religious.

Christopher: So I don't know if this is God, I don't know if this is the right interpretation, but mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots, I believe is like a symbol of all of the religions of the world. Krishna, Buddha, Islam, all of it. Because in the end, prior to these stages here, there is a one world government, one world religion, one world money system. Because they're all set up to worship the beast.

Kathryn: Is this the beast?

Christopher: This isn't the beast.

Kathryn: Okay, gotcha.

Christopher: Okay, so they're all set up to worship this beast. But in some of the times that we've talked about before, m not sure if you can, can recollect. I've been saying for a long time that all of these groups are going to band together, against Israel.

Kathryn: I think this is the one world religion. Okay.

Christopher: But also, you know, everybody wants to be one people. So the, the Catholics who aren't saved, the Episcopalians who aren't saved. The, the people who are in these religious groups who aren't full of the spirit of God. And I'm being very careful to say, because I don't want to, I don't want to say that all Catholics and all Episcopalians are going to.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: To do this. But the same is true with the atheists. The same is true with the, the Islamists. There's some Islamists who are, who will not get converted to Christ, but there's, there's others who will. And they'll, they'll serve God the way that they're supposed to. The magicians, the Satanists. All of them are going to come together and say we need to get rid of the Christians and we need to get rid of the Jews.

Kathryn: Okay. You told me that.

Christopher: And because they're all of one mind, one mindset.

Kathryn: Yep.

Christopher: You know, they will, they will band together in unity for that cause of getting rid of the Christians and the Jews. And then once they rid the world of that, they will start

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Christopher: fighting amongst themselves like demons do.

Kathryn: So the Tower of Babylon. And this is probably me just being silly, but the Tower of Babylon made me think about. Not tablet. Sorry, The Tower of Babel. Babel made me think about Babylon. Because everybody was in unity.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: What is the root meaning of these words? Because they sound similar. Babel. Babylon. You know, I think they're probably different, but I'm pretty sure they're probably different.

Christopher: But.

Kathryn: Do they have any. The reason why I'm thinking about this is in the early days, you know, the. The story is how all of these people try to get together to go up to heaven. They try to make something happen.

Christopher: Yeah. We're gonna ascend into the heavens. Let's. Let's go to that.

Kathryn: And it kind of sounds like they're going to do the same thing again, but it's going to be different.

Christopher: Reverse.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: So this is. Again, this is the Bible. Bible itself. In the beginning, they're trying to. They were unified in their efforts. Yes. To get to the heavens.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: In the end, they're going to be unified in their efforts to destroy heaven. So all of the different languages, all of the different groups are going to come together as one, and we're going to see here in a second. Second.

Kathryn: Have you ever thought about that?

Christopher: Yeah. So Genesis 11. Now, the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plane in the land of Shanar, and they dwelt there. And then they said to one another, come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly. They had brick for stone and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower, and whose top is in the heavens. Let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth. But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, indeed, the people are one, and they all have one language. And this is what they began to do. Now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language that they may not be under, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore, it is. Therefore its name is called Babel. Because the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord scattered them abroad over all the face of the earth.

Kathryn: So let's stop and think about this real quick. They didn't want that to happen. They didn't want to be scattered.

Christopher: No.

Kathryn: So why do you think the Holy Spirit put this in here?

Christopher: To show Us, the, the end from the beginning. So it's, it's, it's a power, it's showing the power of unity in a way that if, if the church got unified, we could achieve a lot and accomplish a lot in God.

Kathryn: first of all, if the church got unified in the truth.

Christopher: Yeah, unified in the truth.

Kathryn: Cuz the church, the church could be unified in something that's not right.

Christopher: Yep, yep. So.

Kathryn: Go ahead. So this is interesting because I think God is trying to show us something in regards to what we just prayed about, what we just talked about in regards to the the church's, the church's behavior.

Christopher: So.

Kathryn: You went here to this scripture because it was what in your spirit.

Christopher: To, to see that the beginning, every, everything ties together.

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Christopher: So the time, the time together part is the people were unified and God scattered them, confused them. And then at the end in Revelation 17, the people were unified and then God scattered them. But they were unified under a wrong purpose because they were unified under destroying God's, people, God's children. So that unity, even though all of these different groups and peoples, like I said, the Satanists are going to be unified with the, the Krishnas, with the Muslims, with the the fake Christians, with atheists, everybody's going to have this mindset of we got to get rid of these, these bad people, we got to get rid of the Christians from off the face of the earth, we got to get rid of the Jews. So they're going to be unified on that effort, that front.

Kathryn: So this is what you're talking about. Let me say this, this is what scripture is trying to get us to understand what the great, harlot.

Christopher: How it's, it, it's, it's not just in America.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: It's tied to everyone who is dark.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: Everyone who hates the light.

Kathryn: So what did Revelation say? Because it said how it was a cup in the harlot's hand. So I was thinking based off of what we said, earlier, based off what we were thinking was he said.

Christopher: Verse 4, the woman. Revelation 17:4 the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and filthiness and, and the filthiness of her fornications. And her forehead. On her forehead was a name that was written Mystery Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and the abominations of the earth.

Kathryn: Of the earth.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: So Mystery Babylon is not necessarily talking about America or Babylon is not necessarily talking about America.

Christopher: Mystery. Babylon is not necessarily talking about America. Now, I think I believe that it's talking about everyone. I believe that it's talking about the spirit of religion.

Kathryn: Yeah, I believe it too.

Christopher: And it's not necessarily tied to America. But if you look at America, we have a religious system that has taken over the entire political realm. Every one of those people in Congress are some form of. Have some. Some form of religion that they believe in. Yeah, whatever it is. Catholic.

Kathryn: Right, Right.

Christopher: And they, you know, they've done studies on that over the years. But if you look at certain regions of our country, we're dominated by the Southern Baptists, the Middle Baptists, and they have a powerful influence on their particular region. But if you look at it from a perspective of they're not really serving Christ to their fullness, because if they were there would. These politicians wouldn't be corrupted. They wouldn't be taking bribes. They wouldn't be, signing off on abortions. They wouldn't be signing off on the legalizing drugs. They would be signing off on, you know, turning a blind eye to. To P. Diddy and all this dumb stuff that he's done.

Kathryn: You heard it. You heard.

Christopher: Yeah. He got off on several of his. Three of the five charges he got off on. Oh, wow. So. But the. The thing that I, I believe is that it's a system of religions and religious groups that are tied together. Because if you look at Daniel, Daniel talks about the fourth kingdom, in the fourth kingdom that's coming to the Earth, that is going to destroy the Earth, and then after that kingdom destroys the Earth, then Season returns. It's another, I think it's Daniel 7.

Kathryn: Is this a part of the Rapture

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Kathryn: or no?

Christopher: Yeah, yeah. Daniel and Revelation were tied together.

Kathryn: I don't. I don't understand the Rapture stuff, and we don't got to go through it tonight. But that's just something that I just. Maybe I'm not ready to understand it because that's. I'm not drawn to it. But everybody's been talking about the Rapture and what it really means, and I don't. I don't understand. I haven't really sat down and asked God about it, haven't studied it, none of that. Didn't know it was a fourth kingdom now. So, what's the first kingdom?

Christopher: I will tell you. So Daniel 7. In the first year of Belshazzar, King of Babylon, Daniel had a dream and visions of his head while on his bed. Then he Wrote down the dream, telling the main facts. Daniel spoke, saying, I saw my vision by night. And behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea. And four great beasts came from the sea, each different from the other. First was like a lion, had eagles, wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on the two feet like a man. Any man's heart was given to it. And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear, it was raised up on one side and had three ribs in its mouth between his teeth. And he said thus to it, arise, devour much flesh. After this I, looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads. And dominion was given to it after. I saw this in the night, visions. And behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge. No, It had huge iron teeth. It was devouring, breaking in pieces and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it. And it had 10 horns. I was considering the horns. And there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And there in this horn were eyes, like the eyes of a man in a mouth speaking pompous words. Verse 9. I watched till thrones were put in place and the ancient of days was seated. His garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, it's wheels a burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him. A thousand thousands ministered to him. 10,000 times 10,000 stood before before him. the court was seated and the books were open. I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking, I watched. So the beast was slain and his body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

Kathryn: Hold on. So right now they're in a court setting?

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: So God sat down in the seat, I'm assuming.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And this is the. A vision that Daniel had. So Daniel is sitting back, watching this in the vision. So God comes down, sits down.

Christopher: And.

Kathryn: This is a courtroom setting?

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: Okay.

Christopher: When we were reading in Revelation 19 earlier. Remember what this. Remember this. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings. This is Revelation 19. 6, 7. Let us be glad and rejoice and give him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come And his wife has made herself ready. And to her was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright. For the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Kathryn: Hold on.

Christopher: What are.

Kathryn: What are the saints?

Christopher: The saints are these. This multitude of people that's in heaven.

Kathryn: Hm.

Christopher: That are saved.

Christopher: So you see how this revelation 19 ties back to Daniel 7 in there with the. With the, The Ancient of Days.

Christopher: And they're worshiping them. So these, these are. These are good people. Going back to Daniel 7, verse 13, I was washing in the night. Visions. Behold, one like the Son of Man, coming with clouds of heaven. He came to the Ancient of Days, and

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Christopher: they brought him near before him. Then to him was given dominion and glory, and a kingdom that all peoples, nations, language, languages should serve him. M. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away in his kingdom, the one which shall not ever be destroyed. So Daniel's vision interpreted. I, Daniel, was breathing my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. I came near to one of those who stood by and asked him the truth of all of this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things. Things. Those great beasts which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever. Then I wish to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, bronze which devoured broken pieces and trampled the residue with its feet in the 10 horns that were on its head. And the other horn which came up before which three fell, namely that horn which had eyes and a mouth, which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows. I was watching. And the same horn was making war against the saints and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the Saints of the Most High. And the time came for the saints to possess, Ah. The kingdom. Thus he said, the fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces. The ten horns of ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom and another shall rise after them. He shall be different from the first ones and shall subdue three kings. He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change Times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and a time and a half time. But the court shall be seated. And they shall take away his dominion to consume and destroy it forever. Then the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms of kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people. The saints of the Most High, his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom. All dominions shall serve and obey Him. This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me and my accountants changed. But I kept it, kept the matter in my heart. So this fourth beast, this fourth kingdom, is what I believe is happening, being set up right now because all of these different regions, all of these different religions are starting to band together and starting to persecute the real saints of God. so Daniel ties together with Revelation 19, ties together with Revelation 17, which ties again back to Genesis 11 with the tower of Babel. So that confusion that was sown into the earth because of the, the breaking up and the scattering is still there, still working. And it's still, it's gonna, in a reverse way, cause a unity to come. Because they're going to be confused with understanding that they're not serving the right God, they're serving their flesh, they're serving their desires. And religion is driving this whole system because they feel like we have to do this in the name of God, we have to do this for God in order to, to help God cleanse the earth by getting rid of and persecuting the Christians that are here.

Kathryn: I had a thought. I had a thought. Oh. So going back to what you just read about a time and a time in a time and a half, it made me think about how Satan is going to be released for a year.

Christopher: Yes, that's.

Kathryn: Is that what this is about?

Christopher: Yes. And then Daniel says it different than Revelation says, ha.

Kathryn: Okay, okay.

Christopher: So in when they calculate the times in Daniels saying the days equal the days that are, that are set in Revelation in a different, in a different way, in a different chapter.

Kathryn: Gotcha.

Christopher: But all of it, one winds up being a seven year period where these things take place. So the first three and a half years,

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Christopher: there's a false treaty that's made with the Antichrist and the beast and the false prophet in order to bring peace on the world. Because everybody wants peace, they don't want wars. So tying this together with what's going on in Israel today, all of these things are setups for what's getting ready to take place I see what you're saying.

Kathryn: Because everybody wants peace right now. It's not right. And people are starting to get jealous over God's chosen people. They don't want to believe that the Jews, because the, the, here's the, here is the background story. The Jews hate God.

Christopher: That, that is the story that's being told right now.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Because they're saying that the Jews hate God because the Jews crucified Season.

Kathryn: Yeah. And they don't believe. Yeah, the Jews crucified Season, bottom line. And they don't believe that he came at all. At all. They're still waiting for him to come. Yes, but there, but people are.

Christopher: They rejected God Right. In the flesh.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: But if you go to the scriptures, it says they were blinded in part so that God would be glorified.

Kathryn: So God did that. Right?

Christopher: They were punished. So. So yes, God did that. But it was a punishment for them.

Kathryn: For.

Christopher: Because of rejecting him.

Kathryn: M. Yeah. For serving other gods or doing their own thing or whatever.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: Okay. right now they don't believe, a lot of people don't believe that they have a right to fight for fighting this war.

Christopher: For the land.

Kathryn: For the land.

Christopher: So because they don't, they believe that the United States gave them that land, pressured everybody else to give them that land, and it really had nothing to do with the United States. The United States played a role and a part in it. But it was ultimately God giving them their God, fulfilling his word to Abraham.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: That he was going to give him this land, the land that we know of as Canaan in the Bible, which.

Kathryn: Extends it's way more land than that.

Christopher: Well, if you listen at the, the Palestinian supporters, they say from the river to the sea is what belongs to Palestine. It actually is what belongs to Israel.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: When, when all this stuff came out, remember we started counting. Well, I looked at some of the map and we were like, it's like Euphrates, like all of this. It's a whole bunch of stuff. So let me ask you this. Going back to what you said, you read something about the saints. So the saints are going to possess this land, this land. Is that the Gentiles too?

Christopher: So what I'm not, what I'm not clear about is, is in that particular chapter is God talking about the Jewish people. Because it talks about the marriage supper is taking place.

Christopher: So I'm not, I'm not clear on that yet. Because the marriage supper involves the Christians. Because the Cryptians have decryptions. Blessed forever. M. Crips Crips are blue.

Kathryn: you got a blue shirt on right now. I can't.

Christopher: So in the, in the, in the rapture, the church is raptured out. The, the, the Gentile church is raptured out because that is the bride of Christ. So you asked the question earlier. Is this, is this. Who is the bride of Christ?

Christopher: The bride of Christ is the Gentile church because God is married to the Jewish nation.

Christopher: And Season is married to the Gentile church.

Kathryn: Oh, so it's what you're saying. I think what you're saying, you're making me think about how Season. If I'm not mistaken, it was Season. Season gave the parable about basically coming. Basically it's about how he called every, he ended up calling anybody in to the feast. The wedding feast. Yeah, yeah. But before all that took place, he has specific ones. And nobody.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: nobody answered. Nobody, whatever. They

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Kathryn: They didn't come. And then he just, he just said, listen, go out and get on anybody, Anybody who's whatever. But here's the crazy part, because somebody comes in there and he was like, how did you get in here?

Christopher: And that was, it was one of the, the Jewish. I can't say it's the Jewish people, but it was somebody who was religious, who should have been there at the first time. And they didn't come in.

Kathryn: yeah. Okay.

Christopher: So now they don't snuck in and he's like, nope, you don't get an opportunity.

Kathryn: So the feast represents. Because it's not the marriage. Right?

Christopher: Okay, well, the marriage thing is the marriage. Supper of the lamb.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: So I'm not sure if the feast is different. Oh, feast. So it could be tied together.

Kathryn: Don't know yet. We need to investigate that. But what you were saying made me think about when you said Jesus is married to. I don't think, Yeah, I don't think I've heard that. I knew that. But you said God is married to who?

Christopher: To Israel.

Kathryn: To Israel. That makes sense. I don't think I heard that before.

Christopher: Yeah, because they have a relationship.

Kathryn: And it makes sense because God darn it, in that scripture where God said, I, I gave you everything. And he started to explain. Yes. And how he just, he loved, like it was such a beautiful love story between one person. And God was like, I, I, I, I did this, I did that. And he spoke about it.

Christopher: Ah. Even when you look at the story in Hosea about Gomer and, and Gomer and Hosea, Gomer was, she kept running on Hosea and God told him to go marrying a prostitute as a symbol of what the Jewish people have done to him. So he married, he married her. She kept running on her, running on him. I think they had four kids and all of the, all of the four kids names was death and destruction just about. But God was showing him how he was faithful to her, even though she was not faithful to him. So, yeah, that picture of God being married to Israel is further demonstrated and carried out by the prophet Hosea, when he married Gomer in order to show God, and God showing his love to his people and how much he's committed to them and wants them to be everything that he created for them to be.

Kathryn: This makes me want to cry.

Christopher: It's a beautiful story.

Kathryn: It does because it's a beautiful.

Christopher: It's. And I don't understand why people miss this. Well, I know because they're not being taught and they're not digging into these things and tying all of the pieces together.

Kathryn: I think the time of the pieces is hard. I think it takes some excitement, extensive work, studying and, and searching to put piece by piece together. But, you know, once you get started, that's how God works with me anyway. He'll take me on a rabbit chase or he'll. He'll say, go here, whatever the case may be. But, you know, we're learning about the craziness in the Western church. And the more we're talking about this tonight, the more, it makes me sad because the love that God has for his children as a whole. You said something in your message the other day about how people, you know, they hate the Jews, but you said the Jews gave the Jewish Gentiles the opportunity for us to be a part of this whole entire thing. So without the Jews, we wouldn't have anything.

Christopher: Anything. Yeah, in Romans 11 is very clear, very clear about that. If it wasn't for in, in, in the people in the church, the, the Gentile church, the American church who hated the Jews, they don't understand that.

Kathryn: How can the, how can the church hate the Jews?

Christopher: They just do.

Kathryn: I learned that a long time ago. And, and you know, I was shocked because it was some people that was like, yeah, they really act like they was following the Bible. Then you heard them make a negative statement about when President Trump gave back the, whatever.

Christopher: The embassy.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Took the embassy out of Tel Aviv

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Christopher: and stuck in Jerusalem.

Kathryn: Yeah, they were hot. And ah, I was like, what's. You don't like the Jews? They was like, I don't think, that was necessary. And these are people that you thought was a real Christian. And I was confused. I, I was dumbfounded. So I don't, I don't know. I know you recently talked about Candace Owens. I don't even care to. To a degree I probably should, but I don't, I don't understand exactly what is going on with that. So I rather just take a step back and learn on my own. In regards to the spreading of the.

Christopher: Hatred for the Jews.

Kathryn: Yeah. So I, It's a lot, it's a lot to to take in in regards to this whole plan that God has for his people.

Christopher: I think it's important that, that we learn the culture of the times of Season in order to figure out. Because some of the things that they know, culture wise, they still practice, you.

Kathryn: Know, they still, they practice the fees.

Christopher: Yeah.

Christopher: And they practice, they practice the respect and the honor for God. That it's not, it's not put on. Is. Is. Is real.

Kathryn: Do you think they have fear of the Lord? Yes, but they just don't unders. They just don't believe that Season is who he says he is.

Christopher: I think that the, because of the way God set it up to have them to be. To go through this wilderness experience where they got scattered and, and this is one of another, another one of the most interesting prophecies in the world because they were scattered around the world twice and then God brought them back together. So ever since, I want to say it was 19 when the, when the Berlin Wall came down in 1988, the Jewish people that were trapped inside of Russia were allowed to go home to Israel.

Kathryn: In what, 1988.

Christopher: 1988. Who did that? Mikhail Gorbachev.

Kathryn: Okay.

Christopher: It is told that his mother would prophesy to him and write things on his birthday cakes that he was going to help the Jews that were in Russia get back to Israel before he even became President of Russia.

Christopher: So there are people who are divinely ordained to do things, to cause God's will to come to pass. You can't change that. You know, who would, who would have known that today we're looking at Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev and they have turned their whole country around. They still have Muslims that are in their country. They still respect the little individual religious groups. But the main thought, the main process in Russia is Christianity.

Kathryn: You can't say that out loud.

Christopher: But it's true though.

Kathryn: I know, but nobody believes you because America has been taught all of these years to hate the Russians. Hate the Russians. They have it where anything that's not true, they call it Russian disinformation. What are you talking about? I don't understand that.

Christopher: It doesn't make any sense.

Kathryn: So we're not going to have to talk about this tonight because you know, people understand how we feel. But you can't make somebody change their mind. Truth will wait.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: Truth will wait. There's a lot more that I think we need to understand because here's what I feel. God is returning pure truth back to the earth and if you want it, you can have it. But like scripture says, it's going to be gross darkness. So you know, the light will never be overcome by darkness, in my opinion.

Christopher: Yeah, that's what the word of God says.

Kathryn: But it's gonna be, the way God is exposing the Western churches and all of the evil that's going on in his name.

Christopher: Y.

Kathryn: Hun, that guy, what's his name? Michael Winger. Is that his name? Michael Winger?

Christopher: See the mic of Mark? Yeah.

Kathryn: Mike. Mike Winger.

Christopher: Mike Winger.

Kathryn: When he says something about the clips that we said and they were. That person that we was watching, he was saying in Season name or whatever he said. He paused and said, do you, did you ever think that I told you this the other day. He said, did you ever think that this is what that scripture means? Do not take God's name in vain. I said, I'll be God. Darn. Because they were purposely prophesying incorrectly.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: Purposely lying.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: For whatever reason. And this stuff is blowing my mind. So make a long story short. I'm ready for the truth. I know you. We've been ready for the truth. We're nothing but truth people. But learning all of this stuff, it's like there, there has to be a deeper, a deeper place in God.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Than we have ever been in before. Because a lot of the stuff that the Western church has been following and has been taught. Think about it this way. For the Western church to be so messed up and for what you just said about how the Jews still practice certain things, it's going to make the people who really want the truth. I think in my opinion it's going to make them be even more hungrier for what the truth is in regards to the Jews relationship and the, the Gentiles relationship because they're not going to want this mess that the Western church is. No, no. I don't know about the scripture about. And maybe this has already happened about the scripture where the Western church is supposed to make the Jews jealous. What do we? What? don't know.

Christopher: Remains to be seen. Because at this particular point in time, the Western church ain't showing anybody anything.

Kathryn: No.

Christopher: And whatever is out there that is proclaiming to be a miracle, proclaiming to be a, godly entity, is being exposed for being lies, hypocrisy, and they're not even following God.

Kathryn: Yeah. So, the scripture you read, I'm just gonna say this final thought while I'm thinking about it. You read a scripture, I think it was in Revelation, where it said, and the bride and the saints were ready. Something like that. So it makes me think that there is hope. But there are, there are some things that we're going to have to really, really get real and honest about in regards to the truth of the Bible. We cannot be partaking of any of this darkness that the Western church has been promoting for years. All of these big name leaders and all that stuff, they need to go.

Christopher: We, we have to start praying that we're separated from the spirit of religion, you know, from, from the Western church and the spirit of religion that's in the world. Because they're, they are finding themselves, just like we read tonight, just like we read in this moment, that they're finding themselves being connected in ways. Do you know what an ecumenical services?

Kathryn: Never heard.

Christopher: They have, and they've been doing this for years. All of the different religious groups get together and they pray. So you got the Muslims, the Baptists, the, Catholics, any, any type of religion, the witches, they pray together. So for example, they'll have a prayer, they'll have an ecumenical prayer meeting. And everybody's just supposed to come together in peace and just say kind thoughts or whatever, Whatever way that you pray. You pray.

Kathryn: Hold on.

Christopher: This has been going on for a long time, but now it's starting to increase because they want peace.

Kathryn: So let me ask you this. Is this in. Think about all the world leaders, India, all the world leaders. Are you saying that there are selective members in, Is it nwl?

Christopher: What is that the national, Health Organization or the, the New World Order?

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Christopher: This New World Order Order, yeah.

Kathryn: Okay. I don't know. But anyway, are you saying that it is going to be at least one person from each nation that's going to represent the nation or whatever? I don't know.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: And they're going to get together, I assume, probably eventually in public to, in, in the name of peace to try to get rid of the whole purpose that God created for his people?

Christopher: Yes. Yes.

Kathryn: And this is why you're saying Pray for us to be separated from all religion in the church and all religion in the world.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Which would. Okay, what is a called out person? What is that, is that, is that something that's religious, that has been taught? Religious.

Christopher: The Bible says that we are in this world, but we're not of this world.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: So we have to, we have to live in this world.

Kathryn: Correct.

Christopher: We're not supposed to be connected. And the thought process behind that is Jesus said. Jesus said something to the effect of the enemy has nothing inside of me.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: And because of that he was able to do whatever. To do whatever the Father wanted him to do. Jesus was able to do whatever the Father wanted him to do.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: Because he wasn't connected to this world. He had nothing in common.

Kathryn: Yes, correct.

Christopher: With this world.

Kathryn: Correct.

Christopher: Nothing in common with the demons, nothing in common with the religious people. And the religious people can be mean, hateful, abusive, self righteous, but spout all types of religious foolery. sound, sound gospel filled. But they're, they're, they're not Godly at all.

Kathryn: Right, right.

Christopher: They're not godly at all. So they're all they, all they really are is just a person who knows religious speaking, jargon, talking points. And it's, it's an act that is put on.

Christopher: You know, Jesus went after the scribes and the Pharisees. Your whitewashed sepulcher, you're a tomb, what's a sepulcher? It's a tomb. Whitewashed, whitewashed sepulcher. You know, all they did was clean it. It's, it's a funky grave. And all they did was clean the outside of it, but the inside is dirty and putrid.

Kathryn: Oh God. You know, I think, and I, I was saying this a lot long time ago, when I was doing the teaching on religious spirit. Unfortunately, anybody who joins the church, 90% of the people get pulled into religion.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And it's crazy because the whole thought.

Christopher: Process is if you do this, you have achieved and attained salvation. So, so do these things. You get, you get ritualized into prayer, you get ritualized into Bible reading, you get ritualized into, going to church.

Kathryn: Here's the crazy thing.

Christopher: So there's a difference between ritualization and discipline.

Christopher: It takes discipline to read your Bible every day. It takes discipline to pray. It takes discipline to forsake. Not the assembling of yourselves with other saints. But at the same time you can do it in the wrong spirit, the wrong attitude. Begrudgingly.

Kathryn: Here's, here's a thought though. I've learned that the people of God are not balanced.

Christopher:No,

Kathryn: because you have the people who say they don't want to be religious. Right. I hate religious spirits. Right. But then those people turn into goofy land where they want to really stand out and start to say stuff that ain't even biblical at all.

Christopher: nope.

Kathryn: And they feel like they're so free. Because they're not free. They're out of the box, so to speak. And they're not. They're not following no form or fashion. And they're like, hey, you know, look at me. You know, don't put God in the box, man. But you're like, well, whoa.

Christopher: You mean you didn't touch Jesus's beard last night in prayer?

Kathryn: I haven't watched that

Christopher: You wasn't playing with Jesus' hair.

Kathryn: Stop, stop, and see, this is where you start to open yourself up to familiar spirits. Because you want to be so different as a Christian that you just willing to say anything that just sounds opposite of being religious.

Christopher: pride, is it? That's pride. Because you're trying to prove to the entire world that you are godly. You don't need to do that. No, you don't need to prove nothing to nobody ever.

Kathryn: Yep, I'm learning that. I'm learning that.

Christopher: And that's if a bunch of people come up to you and say they got manifestation here. Manifestation.

Kathryn: Oh, please. I was never.

Christopher: Goosebumps. Every day they're hearing 16 prophetic words. It's not of God. It's not of God. Now, I believe God speaks to people. God does manifest himself to people. But when you really start examining in the fruit of these people that have all of these, signs, wonders, and miracles that follow them, and they're still cussing, they're still bitter, they're still angry, they're still hurting people. The real God wouldn't do that.

Kathryn: We. Let's talk about that soon. Because, you know, this is a question that comes up with, within the. The church. you know, we were just discussing privately how this gentleman was saying all these false things were happening. And I was telling you that he made me feel like he didn't necessarily agree with fault. I can't say false manifestations. Basically, what I'm saying, saying is this person made me feel like this man was doing everything in his flesh. And he didn't necessarily, in my opinion, listening to him so far, he didn't necessarily say there are false manifestations that are created from the dark side. So I was telling you how A lot of people say, oh, the enemy. The enemy can't create nothing. And I'm like, where did you get that from? Did you not read the Bible?

Christopher: What, Bible verse is that from?

Kathryn: Did you, did you not see that the magicians in. Even in mo. In Moses's time, how they during. And Moses did something, they did the same thing.

Christopher: Yep. Just as fast, just as quick. What they m. Ain't even strain that.

Kathryn: Come on. And you going to sit here and say the devil can't create nothing. That's the religious stuff that we be talking about.

Christopher: Yep. But they're afraid of a mentally ill person that comes in there.

Kathryn: Stop. God don't have that power. That's how they make. So here it is. That scripture just hit me. A form of being godly, but denying the power thereof. thereof. So you have people out there like that. But the whole point is, I wanted to, I wanted you to really quickly before we go say something about the false, about the power of the enemy and how he is. In scripture, it talks about how he can do all of these things. You know what I mean?

Christopher: When you look at Revelation and then. And you look at Daniel, Daniel says there's is a beast that. That speaks, moves and has. Has the being, has a life, has a form. And then I think it's Revelation. I said, Daniel, Revelation talks about there is a beast that gets created that lives, moves, has, has being and they are made to worship it. They're worshiping in it. So Daniel talks about how, there is trying to think of the phrase there are. Hold that thought for a second. Going back to Revelation there. These things operate under an anointing that is from the enemy.

Kathryn: That's what I want to talk about.

Christopher: Satan mimics everything that God does. If you look at some of the people in, I believe

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Christopher: it's India, they have a tongue, they have a jerk, they have a holy ghost. I'm saying holy ghost. They. All of the things that religious people do and the Pentecostal churches, if you turn on the Discovery Channel and watch India and, and the other foreign nations that are there, these people are jerking, popping, false healings. if you go down to Nicaragua, you go down and they're shamans. They, they have hallucinations, they have trances like the Christians do. They fall out the spirit like Christians do. If you do some of these yoga poses, it will invoke a spirit that will come into you and cause you to shake and jerk and pop and prophesy all of these different things. There is a fake anointing. Yeah, there's a fake anointing.

Kathryn: And that's what I was trying to say earlier about how the guy never. He said they're false.

Christopher: People in the church don't want to acknowledge the devil. They don't want to acknowledge that the devil has an anointing because they can't wrap their mind around the fact that there is a devil, that he's very well organized, he is out to deceive. And, you know, when Daniel talks about the abomination that causes desolation, that is an unholy thing that is standing for. For lack of a better term in the church. Speaking prophet, lying, doing false healings, giving false manifestations that look like God. And this abomination of desolation is destroying us today because there's unholy people who are standing.

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Episode 8 - The Bride of Christ - Part 1