The Tabernacle of God - Pt 2

Episode 3 - The Tabernacle of God - Part 2

Christopher: We are going to continue on with our discussion about the tabernacle and Kathryne asked some very good questions yesterday and I wanted to distinguish or draw a difference between the tabernacle and the temple. Um, so I found something that I thought was interesting and I'm going to share it. This is out in the topical Bible and from BibleHub.com if it would manifest itself. Come on, come on.

Kathryn: While you're waiting, can I ask you a question? When you started to put this teaching together, what was in your spirit to do?

Christopher: So I think understanding that we have a, we're a three part being and then that God ordained and ordered everything under that three part being principle, it all lines up with the temple which is started out as the tabernacle. So I believe, if I remember correctly, going off memory, we have the, the outer court, the inner court and then the holy of holies. In the same way that we have that outer court is where we get the washing and cleansing from our sins and we go into the inner court. It's a deeper level of purification and then the holy of holies where we're actually in the presence of God. So understanding that it, it's another highlight for the, of the Word of God.

Kathryn: It also makes me think about how as you started speaking how uh, you were saying that we are a three part being or something like that, body, soul and spirit. Right. But you, it made me think about how Scripture says, isn't your body a temple?

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: So is this something that you believe we should return to? As far as the knowledge of it all goes back to God's perfect plan and his holiness for his children to me, you know what I mean? Like um, this should lead us back to an understanding of the deeper things. I believe that people have been teaching, um, what I would say the surface level and they don't really focus in on the deeper, deeper stuff. So how deep can a person be or go, um, if they only know the surface level? And this could be why people are wishy washy. They don't really know the importance of God and who we really are created to be.

Christopher: Everything is foundational. You know, the, the I think in Isaiah says line upon line, precept upon precept. So if you don't have the basic building blocks of salvation and understanding why, why we need salvation, the basic building blocks of understanding what God came to do, you know, he wanted, he wanted that tabernacle built as a sign to show that he was dwelling amongst men with us. And that tabernacle was, was to Be respected, to be honored. But it was also to be a visual reminder. Hey, I'm looking down through the camp and I see God is here. This is a place where I can go and I can meet God. Eventually it's going to progress from, from the old covenant to the new covenant. The old covenant was you had to go through a man, you had to go through Moses, you had to go through the priests in order to get atonement in order to be set free. But the new covenant is you go directly to God. The veil was torn in the temple and it was torn from the top to the bottom in order for us to be able to have that free access, that one on one access to God. But you still have to follow God's order, God's, uh, steps in order to gain that. Because as you grow in the Lord, you're, you're gonna forever be in a state of being cleansed. So you're being changed from glory to glory to glory. So the first things you learned as a Christian, you never really get rid

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Christopher: of them. M. You build on top of those things, that knowledge becomes more fortified, more, more solidified. Because as you learn that God wants me to be holy, God wants me to get his word inside of my heart so that I could be a better person, so that I can understand his ways and follow them at all times. That understanding teaches you that you are like you say, the temple, um, of God and God's presence dwells inside of you on the deeper most part of yourself. Your, your spirit man.

Kathryn: There's only a few people that I can acknowledge carries, uh, or is really set apart. And you can tell because you could just tell.

Christopher: One of the things that I, I am finding is people don't have a prayer closet. They don't have a place whether it's in their car, in their bathroom, in their living room where they sit in the presence of God. And um, converse is not a good word because sometimes you don't need to say anything other than God. I'm here, I'm in your presence. I want more of you. I think taking that time to set yourself. This is time between me and God. Whether he says anything to you at all or whether you say anything to him at all. It's the recognition that God is in my life. And I'm setting aside this space, this time. I think there's a worship, worship song called I'll Make Room for you. I forget who sings it, but a few people, it's a whole. The whole point of that is I'm going to make sure that for lack of a better term, I tithe this time to you. I don't have to give you the whole day. I can if I choose to. But I'm going to set aside 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes to just be with God. And the more that you do that the hunger and the thirst that you have for God begins to grow because he, he either starts showing you things or you start feeling, feeling his presence. And when I say feeling his presence, I'm not talking about goosebumps, I'm m not talking about, uh, you know, the hype or excitement of it. You just know that something has changed you and God has stepped into whatever room you're in at that particular moment time. It's a shift in the spirit realm, it's a shift in the atmosphere where your thought process is. I want to be close to God. Sometimes people use, um, there's an anointing on the word just by itself that will. This is a witchcraft term. M sometimes invoke the presence of God, but it's not, you're not, you're not doing witchcraft in order to get God to come to you. He's hearing his word being spoken, he's seeing his word being sewn inside of you. And he's like, oh, let me go down there, see what Catherine's doing. Oh, that's my, that's my word. I recognize that. And we, we don't understand that God 1 has angels that are looking to see what his word is doing to, to follow it, to make sure that it's um, either being spoken properly or those who are speaking it are being marked and recognized. Okay, I see Catherine, she's trying to follow this Bible. There's a mark, there's a mark on her. I see Billy Bob, he's cursing the Bible. There's a mark on him. He's not of God. So that word is, is a seal, is a signature of the presence of God because it's the spoken, it's the written word of God that goes inside of our heart, which we know the word of God to be Season Christ.

Kathryn: So let me ask you this. Um, I want to make two comments. You mentioned about how you can make time for God, whether it be 5, 10, 10, 15 minutes. Um, and you were saying that there's a shift or what have you. But for me, I, I feel that on the inside everything changes. Mhm. Where at one point you were loud, obnoxious, and now you're reserved and it

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Kathryn: is a clear evidence thing that you See, once you start to spend time with God and really, really change from.

Christopher: The inside, um, your whole character changes.

Kathryn: Yes, yes. Do you see that in the church? Do you see that? Do you see how people say, the spirit of the Lord is here? I'm thinking about what you just read about that. The book from, um, the Awesome. I forgot what.

Christopher: The book. The all of God.

Kathryn: The all of God and how the gentleman wrote this story about how there the. The presence of God. Was it. What did he call it? The fire or. He called it something about how the presence of God came into the room and people were totally done.

Christopher: Yeah. They felt convicted. They felt, uh, his awesomeness come upon him. They felt the fear come upon him. So when. When you're encountering that, it's because somebody has made space for God to come in. Somebody has surrendered themselves in their prayer closet in their private time. And, and a lot of times we miss the that because that's. That's a small teaching that we, you know, we have forked aside and said, well, you got to go to church. You got to be in the house of God. Yes, that's true. Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together. But the Bible also says what you do in private, you will be rewarded for openly and in public. So how. If you're. How can you say going to the house of God is private when it's not because it's public, everybody sees you.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: So again, this necessitates you going back being by yourself with God. What you. What you do in private is rewarded openly. So God sees you in. In you're spending time with him. We put. The church has put a limitation on what spending time with him is. We. We say you got to lay on the floor, you got to have praise and worship, you got to have Bible reading, you got to have, uh, prayer. I don't see that in Scripture. I don't see that in Scripture. What I see in scripture is you just being there. The other stuff is. Works. It's not bad to do. But we put too much emphasis on what we can do versus just sitting there and letting the presence of God come over us. So how do you know what the presence of God is versus the presence of the enemy? M. You have to have the Word inside of you to connect so to the presence of God. And that starts by your minimal acts of faith of reading the Word. M. If you don't know what it is, you're not going to be able to tell the real from the different. Right. Because there's all types of counterfeit anointings that will make you feel goosebumps and, uh, swinging from the chandeliers and you're high. And in all of this gushiness that people have told taught that's wrong. But the groundedness like you spoke about earlier, you knew there was a visible difference inside of you because you felt different. You knew something had changed you because you reacted differently to what was going on.

Kathryn: A lot of times when I, um, talk to people, I find myself telling them to take a deep breath. Breath. And just be quiet, just sit. Because by the time they get to me, they're like, out. Out of sorts. And they're like, I don't know, you know, I don't know. I don't know. And my thing is to always go send them back to the Lord. Just, you know, have them go privately away. For them to get what they need as individual.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Not through somebody else, but an individual. Because ultimately that's. They have. Like you said, the veil was torn. They have that connection.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: They just have to. And I don't want to use the word tap into, but they just have to use the opportunity.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: To do that.

Christopher: Because God never intended for us in the new covenant to keep having to go through somebody else's to do it. You don't go through anybody else to get a prophetic word. You don't go through anybody else to get a healing. You don't go through anybody else to worship. Well, I can't worship because I don't have a guitar. I

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Christopher: don't have a piano player. I don't have drums. No, you worship from your heart. You make that melody from your heart. It's. It's. It's craziness what we in the church have done.

Kathryn: And you know how I feel about praise and worship. I can't do it less the volume, which is ridiculous loud.

Christopher: But you haven't. You haven't learned about the silence of God and how God will move in silence with. With no noise or with a real quiet worship song. Something that hits your heart.

Kathryn: I keep turning my thing completely down. It's not, oh, um, pressing the wrong thing. I'm like, why is this thing still going? Okay.

Christopher: But you're missing that. That quietness, that stillness that's there that brings the deeper peace of God inside of you.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: Because you're looking for some noise. Some people are. So I'm gonna say it messed up that they have to have some noise in the background. They can't sit in the back place and just Be completely quiet.

Kathryn: You know what's funny? Makes. Makes me think about the unfortunate. The unfortunate event that you had with a person that you cared about and they couldn't talk to you unless they played music in the background.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: Yeah, that. That was bizarre.

Christopher: Disturbing. Absolutely disturbing. You know, and I just wanted to have a conversation with him, but he felt like he had to have this one. Religious nonsense.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: Music and beats and.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: Uh, harps and chords and all. It. It was absolutely ridiculous.

Kathryn: I've never heard that before. And it's. I feel bad because if you are that far away from God, but you think that, you know.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: You think that you are. This is what God is telling you to do. And this is why it's so tricky. It goes back to you saying, how are you going to know whether or not it's a demonic or when Satan steps in the room versus, you know, the presence of God or whatever? You have to understand. And it takes time, but you have to understand certain things. And. And the. The way that the church has made your relationship with God is absolutely insane.

Christopher: Absolutely.

Kathryn: You know, you and I talked about how there's formulas.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: The prayer formula.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: The. You know, you need one plus three, and that equals six, whatever the case may be. And it doesn't work. And people walk away empty. Empty, confused. It's a false hope because it should have never been out there. So now you have these cliche type of, um, things that the church has developed where it's not even biblical, it's not even real, it just sound good. And because people want to hear something that sounds good, they will follow it. The reality of it is I was just. Recently, I was trying to record, and as you know, I couldn't really get anything going. But I kept going back to the same thing over and over. We're talking about holy. A few, several weeks back, holy was just all in the atmosphere. I was listening to different musics, different bands, different, um, praise and worship, even in the words. So sometimes at the church, the word holy was in the atmosphere. It was like I couldn't get away from it. And I finally was like, God, holy is in the atmosphere. And it referred back to God himself.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And I was like thinking, what is it that you're trying to say now you're talking about the temple. And I feel like what I was trying to replace Cord the other day, that I couldn't get out because I just was like, mentally, I wasn't in this space. God wants us, uh, to return back to holiness, but he wants to show himself.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: In a way that's going to trigger us. Desire. Desire that holiness.

Christopher: And it's much simpler than what the church today has made it. It's not. It's not as complex as. As we have made it. And we're. We're doing things that we shouldn't be doing. It's really. I really believe it's causing a religious spirit.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: To. To draw down upon people. And when they realize that they can't achieve, you know, what's being manufactured in these churches, they're frustrated, they're angry, and they're angry

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Christopher: at God.

Kathryn: God.

Christopher: But it's not really God doing it.

Kathryn: Y. God's not real. Because I prayed. I've done this. I've done everything I could.

Christopher: Everything you told me to do.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: As the church. The church told me to do this. And boom, I'm going to get a cake. Religious experience and it doesn't happen. It's frustrating. I see. I've seen people over the years who are bound in this religious spirit and they. They're dead. When you look at their eyes, they're absolutely dead.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: But they feel like if they haven't.

Kathryn: They're the closest thing to God.

Christopher: Uh, yeah. And if they haven't shouted or clapped or they had their, you know, their two fast songs and four slow songs, they haven't touched, uh, God at all. And then they're really missing out on the. The sacred presence of him.

Kathryn: You remember that song by Roy Fields? He was. All he sung was.

Christopher: Yes. Yes.

Kathryn: Wow. Wow. Well, that's the song for today. You want to know what that song is? It's

funny. I knew I didn't know what's Happening song. I always wait and listen. That's it for tonight, but go ahead.

Christopher: So the, the. The tabernacle is important because it is. It is God's visible sign to us as the children of God that he wants to dwell with us. And I think some of the things that we read last week. Week, when we're reading Exodus 25, talking about the different elements that was going into the temple. We. We got into the acacia wood. We got into the beaver.

Kathryn: Badger.

Christopher: No, the badger. Um, the badger skins and things like that, there, There is an importance to them, but it's not something that you absolutely have to go get you some acacia wood and badger skins in order to, uh, have the presence of God fall down upon you.

Kathryn: So can you explain why the Bible is written the way that it was from the new. From the Old Testament to the New Testament? For me I think that there is an acknowledgment that needs to take place of who God is and how God removed certain things in order for us as his people whom he created to return back to him. I can't really explain it, but you know how earlier you were talking about something you said earlier made m me think about Adam and Eve and it was something in regards to the temple. You were speaking about the temple. I was trying to keep that thought, but it made me think about Adam and Eve and how when God first created Adam and Eve, God watched. Let me say this. God watched over Adam. God allowed for Adam to name the animals. He allowed for him to do specific things. So this was him giving him his free will to do whatever. But he still had that relationship with Adam.

Christopher: Yeah, we don't really learn about that part of the relationship until after Adam fell. Because when Adam fell and they were running from the presence of God, we began to see that God fellowshiped with them. You know, we learned in a reverse way that God came up and talked to them. And because they knew that they were naked, because they had eaten of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they ran from God's presence. Where before, whenever God decided and just came to the garden to talk to Adam and Eve, it was a constant, ongoing fellowship.

Kathryn: What is the garden to you? The garden, the Garden of Eden. What is that to you? Because I'm thinking about the temple and we talked last week about how there's a temple in heaven that is the direct. The temples down here is a direct replica of the temple in heaven. So did God

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Kathryn: build a temple first? When did this come. Come into place? What is the Garden of Eden?

Christopher: So in a reverse form is the Garden of Ed. Eden, the holy of holies first? And then we got kicked out into the. The inner court. We got kicked out of the holy of holies into the outer court, where we could not access God at all because we were unclean. Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve became unclean. So I don't have scripture to prove this, but in a reverse way. That garden, I believe, can be said to be the holy of holies. And then when they got kicked out, because it says when they got kicked out, there was a cherubim placed with a flaming sword.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: And no one else could access it?

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: You know, without. Without getting through this Cherubim.

Kathryn: Yes. God so smooth.

Christopher: Yes, he is.

Kathryn: He's so smooth. You know, God's not going to change for nobody now. And that's what we have to Understand?

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: I think recently I've been telling you, or I've been saying this before there was ever X, Y and Z. It doesn't matter what it is, a person, place or a thing. No matter what it is a situation, an issue, whatever. Before any of that to took place, there was a God.

Christopher: Uh, yep.

Kathryn: And when you think about it that way, you come to understand. Wow. Just in. Just in. That small little revelation tells you so much.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: And it's like I can't really explain how I feel, but I know for me, it made me feel. Feel like anything that I face is small. Even though the emotions are there, the.

Christopher: Pain of it is there there.

Kathryn: The, the whatever is tied to that situation, person, place or thing is there. You. You come to understand that God, uh, is bigger than anything. You ever heard that song by, uh, Sean Corinne? You probably don't know him by name, but he's the same goddess. Sings this song about the prodigal. He, ah, has long brown hair, he has a different voice. Um, this song that Pastor Barbara played, I sent Victor. I forgot I'm looking at the videos. You know, I have my d. That song.

Christopher: I know.

Kathryn: He has a song, and I don't know if it's through Passion, but the song is called, um, you're bigger than I thought you were.

Christopher: Yeah, you played that all the time.

Kathryn: Okay, this is what I'm, um, what I'm thinking about this whole thing in regards to what I just said, anything that we may ever face. We come to realize that God is bigger than anything that we thought. Uh, he was.

Christopher: Absolutely.

Kathryn: And when we stay in that knowledge, in that position, life becomes easier.

Christopher: Absolutely.

Kathryn: But because we are flesh, we have to wrestle with this flesh in order for us to stay in the holies of holies, the presence of God, uh, and walk this thing out. You know, I think day by day we contend with so many different things. Different voices, different atmospheres, different theologies, different things that just come our way that can drown out the truth.

Christopher: So we need a map. We need a map. We need something that's concrete that we can look at day in and day out. And this is why I believe that God created the Bible.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: We had to have that in order to see God isn't random at all. And a lot of

people think it's just, you know, the big bang, boom, there, there it was, here comes the earth and everything like that. There's no order, there's no, uh, rules. There's no laws or anything like that that have to be followed. But God Wrote the Bible and showed you. I did this. I put this here. I made this for you so that you could see

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Christopher: that I am real.

Kathryn: You know, I got two thoughts in my head, but I really want to get this one out. And now the other one is getting pushed back. But anyway, you said the Bible. I knew he was going to say that. I used to. Because the religiousness really gets on my nerves. When people say. Started saying the Bible is basic instructions before leaving Earth. I mean, the reality of it is true.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: But just the religion, the religiousness about it throws me off because it's like, y' all gotta. Y' all gotta come up with all these. What do you call it?

Christopher: An acronyms.

Kathryn: Yes. For all of this stuff. And M. I'm just like.

Christopher: D. Just say the simple thing.

Kathryn: Yeah. Like. But when it comes to that, I can understand. But I'm just like. But really, though. Cause y' all just. But that's the bottom line.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And it's like, um.

Christopher: And it's. It. It is the way that we can discern or tell the difference between a false religion, a false God. Because they don't have all of that detail. There's so much detail in just every verse of the Bible, and it all ties back and forth. You can't. There's no book that's ever been created where Revelation ties to Genesis, Genesis ties back to Revelation chapter by chapter, you know, word by word. And that is to show you how, again, how big God is. Because who can do that in. In the natural?

Kathryn: Not only that. Huh? I always say the Bible plays itself out, meaning everything in the Bible is real, and it always manifests itself. So you can't have literature written 2,000 years ago that has so much truth, so much knowledge, so much wisdom and understanding. You follow this, and it works out. It confirms.

Christopher: Yes. Uh, itself.

Kathryn: Um, over and over.

Christopher: Yes, it speaks to something that's going to happen in the future, but it also speaks to something that's happening in the present, and it speaks to something that has happened in the past, all with one word, all with one force, one effort in that. Uh. And that is, you know, God. God says, I am. Yeah, I am. That I am.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: He is past, present, and future all at the same time. And he can. He. He himself has the ability to step outside of our timeline and look and have so much information that each of us has books that are written about our lives that tell everything that we're going to do. Every. Every failure we make, every success we have is all written somewhere in the annals of heaven, about what we've done, who we're going to meet, who we're going to interact with, what decisions we're going to make. But still it's left up to us to make that decision whether we're going to serve God or serve the devil.

Kathryn: It is, it is absolutely. It's mind blowing when you think of it. And you know, for people to say, and I get it, you know, some of them don't understand who God is. They don't care to know. You know, they go off of some other false God and they do the chakra stuff, whatever that mess is, I don't know. But even in that God proved through Moses and them or whatever that, you know.

Christopher: Yeah. Cuz them, them false teachers, prophets, counterfeited the miracles of God. When, when Moses threw the stick down and it became a snake. The, the, the magicians and astrologers and all of that, well, we can do the same thing.

Kathryn: This is why the Bible is so awesome. Because just in that alone, there's lesson after lesson, teaching after teaching, knowledge after knowledge. It just lets you know how you can be deceived. And the power of God, the real God, is still over top of everything. I can't really explain it. You know, I love how last week when you and I were talking, we were, I was reading from the book of Jeremiah. They. I don't remember where I was reading that. But you know,

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Kathryn: when the people thought that, um, Moses was exalting himself over the congregation. And then Moses, it's in scripture, it says when Moses heard the words, when they said, you've gone too far. And they said, you know, whatever, whatever scripture said. When Moses heard those words, Moses fell on his face and cried. And this is what he said. Tomorrow morning we're going to see who's real.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: Come on, come on. Tomorrow morning we're going to see who's real. And then God, they, they, they made an arrangement to meet in the presence of God. God came on the scene, didn't even say nothing. The first thing he said was, moses, get away from these people.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: So I could consume them in the moment.

Christopher: He didn't, he didn't have to wait for them to testify.

Kathryn: No, that's what I'm saying.

Christopher: They already knew. God already knew what was going on.

Kathryn: That's what I'm saying.

Christopher: It wasn't a surprise.

Kathryn: And I'm sitting here like, why do y' all play with God like that? Don't get me wrong, uh, it's been for me. I am 46, I think, years old. I can't even keep up. But you know how I keep telling you behind closed doors, I'm so glad that God pulled me in, what he did, because I would be messed up.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: I will be more messed up than what I was when I was messed up.

Christopher: Because we are in an age that is filled with complete deception. Deception on all sides, Trickery, foolery. And, and it's, it's all due to the devil because the more he could deceive people and keep them blind to the truth.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: The more he has them.

Kathryn: Right, right. But you know, here's, here's something too. I think people have even

come to a, uh, thought that, well, I'm so glad I'm so special type thing where they even, they, they totally lose track of who God is because they're so focused on how they feel. God is special. Oh, I'm the chosen one. I'm, um, chosen. I'm this, I'm that. And it's just like, lord have mercy. I ah, think overall the church is missing. They've gotten away from the deeper teachings. And like we discussed last week, God said that he was going to have his true people return back the truths of the teachings that um, that are in the Bible, if that makes sense. I think the church has gotten away for so long and it's unfortunate because.

Christopher: It's not a fad, it's not popular. We went through that whole movement where people started saying the word of God wasn't enough. And I think that's so dangerous. And it was, it was the prophetic people who were saying that because God stopped talking and because he stopped talking, that should have been a sign to them. We need to start teaching, we need to start finding out where we're going wrong because the cloud has moved and we don't know where the cloud's at.

Kathryn: Um, you know, if I'm not mistaken, within the temple study, it talks about God being a cloud over the temple. The temple. And how.

Christopher: And he hovered over it.

Kathryn: Yeah. How he hovered over how he provided light at night.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And all of that. So when you say the cloud move, can you explain that a little bit deeper?

Christopher: So the presence of God moved and shifted ah, and went in a different direction. And instead of them looking at the word of God to get the truth of what was happening and seeing. Okay, condition one, we have either messed up. Condition two, God is not ready to do what he has prophesied to us that we're going to do do. Condition three, we're in Error. Why does, and we're going to make something happen.

Kathryn: Why does it, why is it so important for people to feel like God has to fulfill their word? Pride?

Christopher: Is it pride? Total and complete pride. Because it, it, it's like a, a badge of honor, uh, a credential. I prophesied this and it happened.

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Christopher: I prophesied that the stadiums were going to be filled with youth. And I got to make it happen. So I'm going to do my part to have conferences and events and stadiums so that it can look like God is, God is moving on my word. When the reality is is God doesn't move that way.

Kathryn: Right.

Christopher: So the prophecy could be true that God is going to fill, right, the stadiums with youth. But is it a natural disaster that happened and there was nowhere else for anybody to go, so they had to sit in the stadiums.

Kathryn: Come on.

Christopher: And then that became an opportunity for the, the Christians to speak.

Kathryn: See, nobody, nobody is thinking about that.

Christopher: Nope, nope. It's a money making gimmick. It's like the guy said in the book,

the Awe of God. They were there. There was popcorns and concessions going. They were selling hot dogs. And you know what the thing is now for the Christian conferences is they got alcohol.

Kathryn: Shut up.

Christopher: Uh, yeah. If they have a conference at these big venues, they're selling alcohol.

Kathryn: No.

Christopher: So in addition to the, the hot dogs and the candy and all that other kind of stuff, sitting in and sitting in that, in that atmosphere. So can you imagine us, uh, having relations and then having an audience sitting there watching, eating popcorn, drinking sodas? Absolutely not. So why do we think God wants that when we're having praise and worship? A study of the Word. It's supposed to be one of the most intimate times in your life and you're doing things that are completely irreverent, not paying attention at all to what's going on. So I've always likened, um, the act of relations to worship with God. Same thing. When you go on the praise and worship by yourself. You are having relations with God.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: And this, there's nothing to be taken lightly. It should be all amount of seriousness in it because it's, you're, you're bowing.

Kathryn: Down before the presence of God, you know, so. Yes. Um, so just that statement that you made made me think about when you said, can you imagine, you know, popcorn and butter and all, you know, hot dogs, all that stuff. Can you imagine going into that atmosphere, whatever. It made me think about how Season made a whip.

Christopher: Uh, yep.

Kathryn: On site.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: He looked around and foundles the hull. He. No, listen. He looked around and saw all of this crazy stuff going on. Where? In the temple. In the temple. And what did he say?

Christopher: Not a den of thieves.

Kathryn: So what is prayer? Because this is what you started out with, with this, with today's teaching you said. I think it goes back to prayer. What. How important is prayer?

Christopher: Super important. And how many people are praying in the church? How many people are praying in their prayer closets? Some of these people haven't been in their prayer closet.

Kathryn: And to me, it's not even necessarily you getting on your knees. Cuz you could be walking.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Privately. And just be like, from your heart. Oh God, please, from your heart. You know, I love when God says, I, I've heard your cry, I've heard your heart. And he honors that because for one, when you do pray, if you're praying to God, God acknowledges that you see him as a real source. And when you see him as a real source. So think about David. David had some issues, but when David was. Was alone, when he was in trouble, before David was even out 100%. Yep. Before he was even, uh, uh, King. King David knew God.

Christopher: He had that relationship.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: That one on one private.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: What. And what he did in the prayer closet.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: Manifested itself out in the open because God showed up for, for him.

Kathryn: Yep.

Christopher: And took that stone and hit that giant in the head. That wasn't David's skill.

Kathryn: No.

Christopher: Wasn't his ability. No. Uh, that was God saying, this is my man right here.

Kathryn: Yep.

Christopher: And I'm, I'm gonna back him in whatever he does.

Kathryn: Uh, the crazy part was David told him exactly what was getting ready to take place.

Christopher: He sure did.

Kathryn: And that's exactly

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Kathryn: what happened. He was like, I'm gonna tell you, I'm m gonna hunt. Uh, what did David say? He said, who is this uncircumcised Philistine that's coming against the God?

Christopher: What?

Kathryn: So this is what I'm talking about, David. And this is where the church has got to get back to. And I'm, um, I'm even saying this for myself. We have got to stay focused on the Lord. And when you think about it, you're like, but who is the Lord? That's the biggest question.

Christopher: You need to find out who he is.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: You need to learn who he is.

Kathryn: Yes.

Christopher: And the only way you can learn is to be in that prayer closet.

Kathryn: Yep.

Christopher: To be in the word of God.

Kathryn: Yep.

Christopher: Reading. Oh, this is what God did. And I love this about the Bible because he puts the Negative in there. And the positive.

Kathryn: Exactly.

Christopher: Oh, you're not going to do right by, um, someone. So's daughter gonna have her come and pretend to be a prostitute and sleep with you so she can have children because you didn't, you didn't do what you were supposed to do. Um, and then you're going to be publicly outed because you're gonna be like, hey, where's the prostitute that was in, um.

Kathryn: You trying to make it a name?

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Tomorrow.

Christopher: Yeah. With. With the head of the country.

Kathryn: I'm gonna tell you, this is how God exposed. And God. God has been exposing a lot. And I think, I really think this is what I was trying to say in my clip that I keep trying to get to, that I wanted to say. And I erased many different times. And I went up there to record. I recorded like 10 different things.

Christopher: Really.

Kathryn: And then I. Halfway through the message, I just couldn't say no more. And I was like, I can't put it out here. Cuz I don't. I don't even. They were, they were just thoughts. And the bottom line is God is coming.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: For a spotless bride. Bride. So bottom line, just like Moses said in the morning time, we're gonna find out who. Who belongs to who. Who's real.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: This is where God is at.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And we have to understand. And this is what I said too. I said, the fear of the Lord is

returning. Holiness is returning. And the glory.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: The glory.

Christopher: The whole glory.

Kathryn: Not the faith and the fear. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm not. I think people are so bent on signs, wonders and miracles. I don't listen. Sounds nice. Whatever. I'm not really impressed. I never really was. Because to me, signs aren't for the church. Come on.

Christopher: They're for the unbeliever.

Kathryn: But this is where the church keeps.

Christopher: Looking for signs, wonders and miracles. And they're the. The premise is, the thought process is if we get signs, wonders and miracles, then people will get saved. No, you're getting signs, wonders and miracles because you want people to see you so you can stick your chest out and puff it up and say, look how. Look how close to God I am.

Kathryn: That's crazy. Everything goes back to pride. Person.

Christopher: Yep. And not the glory of God. Oh, my God.

Kathryn: Oh, gosh.

Christopher: It's all. It's all pride.

Kathryn: Never knew that. All pride. This is. Is this about where recently it's been who has a testimony?

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: Oh, uh. Oh, my God.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: Oh, my God.

Christopher: In the church is caught in this system. The American Church is caught in this system where it's. It's about, I want to show that I have the glory. I want to show that my church has this. I want to. To show that my church has that. Just show that your church has God.

Kathryn: Come on. When did it change? When did it change?

Christopher: It should have never changed. The corruption in the church is real. It's so real.

So the tabernacle in the temple. Just some real quick things. The tabernacle, also known as a tent of meeting, was a portable sanctuary used by the Israelites during their wanderings in the wilderness and until, uh, the construction of Solomon's Temple. Its design and construction were commanded by God to Moses on Mount Solomon Sinai, as detailed in the book of Exodus.

Kathryn: I think I used to get the tabernacle mixed up with the Ark of the Covenant.

Christopher: So the Ark of the Covenant goes inside

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Christopher: of the tabernacle and it also goes inside of the temple.

Kathryn: So when I was studying this years ago, I could picture them uprooting this tabernacle from place to place. Place.

Christopher: Because they. Because it was. It was set up with tent. Tent pegs and stakes and all kinds of things.

Kathryn: Okay. We learned that this tabernacle is covered in skin. Beaver skin, badger.

Christopher: Badger skin.

Kathryn: Ah, the acacia wood. Um, they carried all of that from place to place.

Christopher: And the priests were responsible for making sure that it was kept clean. It was put up the right way, hung the right way.

Kathryn: Why did they move from place to place?

Christopher: Cuz where wherever either one, the presence of God went or God commanded them to go to this particular land. So they, they followed. They were supposed to follow the cloud. M. They were supposed to follow the presence of.

Kathryn: I wrote an article about following the cloud. Do it. I can see it. Follow the cloud. Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

Christopher: Follow the cloud versus following the crowd of false prophets and false apostles.

Kathryn: Come on out there. Wow.

Christopher: And this is what's been going on in the prophetic movement for the last 30 years. The prophetic movement has done this to the church because. And everybody's afraid of prophets because sometimes God does reveal to true prophets what your sin nature is. So they get the oohs and o from everybody because they don't want their sin brought out. If, and if you're not in sin, you ain't got nothing to be worried about.

Kathryn: Correct? Correct.

Christopher: Nothing's going to come out because you're not doing nothing.

Kathryn: Correct? Correct.

Christopher: So then these people who are. Who are apostles. I'm. I'm building this church

here on these. Building this church there. It's got two people in it. But I built 13 churches all across the land.

Kathryn: I think we need to return back to the simple gospel of the Lord. And I think that,

like you said earlier, we made it complex. And it's absolutely insane saying, you know, the people in the world realize that.

Christopher: They see what the church is doing.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: They. They see what the American church is doing.

Kathryn: Yeah. And then because some people carry a religious spirit in the church, a person who knows the truth, who's not in the church, they get offended by the person who is speaking on behalf of. Of God that's not in the church.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: And they're like, oh, well, you know, we can't take godly wisdom from them anyway because the scripture said we can't do that. You know, But y' all ninjas is messed up.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: Y' all are messed up. And God can use anybody that he wants to at any time. Yeah. To tell you you're messed up. Think about that donkey on the horse. Don't you say, what have I done to you, sir? Have I not served you all these years, sir? Why are you hurting me, sir? Stop it.

Christopher: Okay, so the Tabernacle served as a dwelling place of God among. Among his people, as stated in Exodus 25:8. Then have them make a sanctuary for me so that I may dwell among them. It was the center of Israelite worship and sacrificial system, where priests perform rituals to atone for the sins of the people. The Tabernacle emphasized God's, uh, holiness and the need for purity and obedience among his people. The Temple in Jerusalem succeeded the Tabernacle as the permanent place of worship for the Israelites. There were three main temples in biblical history. Solomon's Temple, Zerubbabel's Temple, and Herod's Temple. He was another, um, Jewish king. So Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, was constructed by King Solomon as recorded in First Kings 6. 8. It was built on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem and followed a similar layout to the Tabernacle, but on a grander scale. Wait, wait, wait.

Kathryn: Okay, go ahead.

Christopher: The Temple was a symbol of Israel's national identity and religious life. It was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BC. After the Babylonian exile, the Jews returned to Jerusalem and rebuilt the Temple under the leadership of Zerubbabel as described in the Book of Ezra and Hagai. The second Temple was less magnificent, innocent than Solomons,

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Christopher: but restored the central place of worship for the Jewish people. It was later expanded and renovated by Herod the Great.

Kathryn: Isn't the Book of Ezra. Didn't they find out that articles was burnt or missing or what have you? And they found the articles and the God was like, we were supposed to do that.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: And he returned back the original word of God, uh, to that land. I can't remember what it was.

Christopher: Yeah.

Kathryn: His. Whatever king was in authority. He was shocked that these missing pages or what have you, was lost. And. And he was like, we, we're doing this wrong.

Christopher: Yup.

Kathryn: We were supposed to have it doing X, Y and Z. Yep. That's crazy.

Christopher: Yeah. But that, uh, that shows you the importance of the word. Everything is there for a reason.

Kathryn: Yep. People get off. People get off in googy land. Or the devil comes and does dumb stuff.

Christopher: Uh, this keeps you on track.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: This is, this is where we're supposed to be.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Christopher: You start straying from it, you need to go back and say, oh, oh, this is what it

said to do.

Kathryn: Here's the crazy part too. You start straying from it. It's something in the scriptures that tells you exactly what you are physically or mentally or spiritually experiencing.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: That confirms the word is real.

Christopher: Yes.

Kathryn: That was written over thousand years ago.

Christopher: Yep.

Kathryn: How can you explain that?

Christopher: You.

Kathryn: It's just God, uh, can't deny.

Christopher: Y Herods to Temple, often referred to as the second temple, was an extensive renovation of Cerebral's temple. Herod the Great began this project around 20 BC and it became a magnificent structure. As noted in the Gospels, this temple was the center of Jewish worship during the time of Season. It was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70, fulfilling Season prophecy in Matthew 24:2. Truly, I tell you not, not one stone here will be left on another. Everyone will be thrown down. The tabernacle and temple are rich in theological symbolism. They represent God's desire to dwell among his people in the necessity of holiness and atonement. The sacrificial system foreshadowed the ultimate sacrifice of Season Christ, who is described in the New Testament as the true temple. John 2:19 21 in the perfect high priest, Hebrews 9, 11, 12. The destruction of the physical temple and the coming of the Holy Spirit signify the new covenant where believers themselves become the temple of God. We talked about all of that. So Exodus 26 and reading from the new King James Version. Moreover, you shall make the tabernacle with 10 curtains of fine woven linen and blue, purple and scarlet thread. With artistic designs of cherubim you shall weave them. The length of each curtain shall be 28 cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits. And every one of the curves shall have the same measurements. Five curtains shall be coupled to one another, and the other five curtains shall be coupled to one another. And you shall make loops of blue yarn on the edge of the curtain on the selvage of one set. And likewise you shall do on the outer edge of the other curtain of the second set. 50 loops you shall make in the outer edge of of the other curtain of the second set. 50 loops you shall make in one curtain. And 50 loops you shall make on the edge of the curtain that is on the edge of the second set that the loops may be classed to one another. And you shall make 50 class of gold. And couple the curtains together with the class so that it ah, may be one tabernacle. This reminded me of curtains we put up yesterday. You shall also make curtains of goats hair to be a tent. Over the tabernacle you shall make eleven curtains. The length of each curtain shall be thirty cubits and the width of each curtain four cubits. And the eleven curtains shall all have the same measurements. And you shall couple five curtains by themselves and six curtains by themselves. And then you shall double over the sixth curtain at the forefront of the tent. You shall make 50 loops on the edge of the curtain that is outermost in one set and 50 loops on the edge of the curtain of the second set. And you shall make 50 bronze clasps. Put the clasps into the loops and couple the tent together, that it may be

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Christopher: one. The remnant that remains of the curtains of the tent, the half curtain that remains, shall hang over the back of the the tabernacle and a cubit on one side and they keep it on the other side. That what remains of the length of the curtains of the tent shall hang over the sides of the tabernacle on this side and on that side to cover it. You shall also make a covering of ram skins dyed red for the tent and a covering of badger skins above that. And for the tabernacle you shall make the boards of vacation wood standing upright. Ten cubits shall be the length of a board, and a cubit and a half shall be the width of each board. Two tenons shall be in each board for binding one to another. Thus you shall make for all the boards of the tabernacle. And you shall make the boards for the tabernacle 20 boards. For the south side you shall make 40 sockets of silver under the 20 boards, two sockets under each of the the boards for its two tenants. And for the second side of the tabernacle the north side, there should be 20 boards, and there shall and there 40 sockets of silver. Two sockets under each of the boards. For the far side of the tabernacle westward, you shall make six boards. And you shall also make two boards for the two back corners of the tabernacle. They shall be coupled together at the bottom, and they shall be called coupled together at the top by one ring. Thus, thus it shall be for both of them. They shall be for the two corners. So there shall be eight boards with their sockets of silver. Sixteen sockets, two sockets under each of the boards. And you shall make bars of acacia wood, five for the boards on one side of the tabernacle, five bars for the boards on the other side of the tabernacle, and five bars for the board boards on the side of the tabernacle for the far side westward, the middle bar shall pass through the midst of the boards from end to end. You shall overlay the boards with gold, make their rings of gold as holders for the bars, and overlay the bars with gold. And you shall raise up, uh, the tabernacle according to its pattern which you were shown on the mountain. You shall make a veil woven in blue, purple and scarlet. Throw thread in fine woven linen. It shall be woven with an artistic design of cherubim. You shall hang it upon the four pillars of acacia wood overlaid with gold. Their hooks shall be gold upon four sockets of silver. And you shall hang the veil from the class. Then you shall bring the Ark of the Testimony in there behind the veil. The veil shall be a divider from for you between the holy place in the Most Holy. You shall put the mercy seat upon the Ark of the Testimony in the Most Holy. You shall set the table outside the veil and the lamp stand across from the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south. And you shall put the table on the north side. So these are all the things that are going inside of the temple. Um, the tabernacle. You shall make a screen for the door of the tabernacle woven of, of blue, purple and scarlet thread and fine woven linen made by weaver. And you shall make for the screen five pillars of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. Their hooks shall be gold. And you shall cast five sockets of bronze for them. So all of that detail that God created and put into the tabernacle wasn't by accident? Yeah, uh, it was. It was very detail. Detail on purpose.

Kathryn: Yes, yes, yes.

Christopher: So it wasn't a haphazard thing. Correct. Which again proves the Bible is not haphazard.

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Episode 3 - The Tabernacle of God - Part 2